HQ Milton 1675

[Andjwhite]

Anyone have $28k lying around that they want to give me?

I don’t have the funds anyway, but wondering what the experts think on this example. I actually love it, but want to hear opinions from others and if you think it’s worth the $$!

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...e-papers-A4495

[330ci]

Absolutely bonkers imo. Rare and in decent shape, but 28k is just ridiculous to spend on a non gilt 1675

[Wahlberg]

Is it easy to fix the gap between the lugs and endlink?

[1665fan]

Submariner bracelet….worst gap between the lugs I’ve seen in a long time….price too high

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Is it easy to fix the gap between the lugs and endlink?

Yes, by replacing the end-links. I have a feeling they may have been modified.

[ronricks]

Seems to me HQ Milton is just throwing insane prices on everything these days and seeing if anyone bites. They have a black dial Milgauss for 12,550 as an example. That's not even close to reality pricing on that model.

[swish77]

Fabulous insert, but the rest of the watch looks average to my eyes, relative to the price, and the bracelet looks shot.

For that kind of money, I'd want a much crisper example all-around AND that insert.

And maybe I'm getting grumpy (er) the longer I'm in this hobby, but am I the only one bugged by the reference to "service papers" in the listing? Maybe minor, but that implies RSC papers, not the HQ Milton paperwork, which should be standard. I've bought a couple of watches from them through the years, and they always say they go over all their movements before selling.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Yes, by replacing the end-links. I have a feeling they may have been modified.

By modified you mean they took metal off of it?

Sometimes I wonder what happened to certain watches.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Yes, by replacing the end-links. I have a feeling they may have been modified.

The end links are altered or whatever. They are not correct and should be replaced.

[Andjwhite]

Originally Posted by swish77

Fabulous insert, but the rest of the watch looks average to my eyes, relative to the price, and the bracelet looks shot.

I was wondering if the fuchsia insert which is on trend demanded the higher price.

Originally Posted by swish77

And maybe I'm getting grumpy (er) the longer I'm in this hobby, but am I the only one bugged by the reference to "service papers" in the listing? Maybe minor, but that implies RSC papers, not the HQ Milton paperwork, which should be standard. I've bought a couple of watches from them through the years, and they always say they go over all their movements before selling.

I’m not bugged by the reference to service papers. The watchmaker at HQ Milton is very good. I would not view papers from RSC as superior to HQ papers. Only my opinion. And I would prefer a fully serviced watch to a watch that has been looked over.

[mroberts]

Originally Posted by swish77

Fabulous insert, but the rest of the watch looks average to my eyes, relative to the price, and the bracelet looks shot.

For that kind of money, I'd want a much crisper example all-around AND that insert.

And maybe I'm getting grumpy (er) the longer I'm in this hobby, but am I the only one bugged by the reference to "service papers" in the listing? Maybe minor, but that implies RSC papers, not the HQ Milton paperwork, which should be standard. I've bought a couple of watches from them through the years, and they always say they go over all their movements before selling.

I was thinking the same thing. To me, the value behind service papers was that Rolex had worked on the watch and everything checked out as far as authenticity. HQ Milton or whichever dealer 'papers' are worth about just as much as the piece of paper they're printed on.

Thats not to say the person doing HQ Miltons services is not qualified. Just that Rolex has the final say on what is and is not authentic.

[zapokee]

Yes, "service papers" is a bit click-baity, although to be fair they do provide a photo of said paperwork.

They'd probably do their integrity a favor if they stated something like "HQ Milton service papers," or "in-house service papers," but their in-house guy is indeed excellent. I believe he used to ply his trade at Rolex, so the level of expertise is the same (or even better?). (I'm assuming it's the same guy they had a couple of years ago when I last purchased from them.)

I bought from them many times and was always happy when I dealt with Jacek.

[Trog]

Damn! I'm clearly going to have raise the price expectation on mine.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by mroberts

I was thinking the same thing. To me, the value behind service papers was that Rolex had worked on the watch and everything checked out as far as authenticity. HQ Milton or whichever dealer 'papers' are worth about just as much as the piece of paper they're printed on.

Thats not to say the person doing HQ Miltons services is not qualified. Just that Rolex has the final say on what is and is not authentic.

You’re totally right, but to be fair, Scott and his tech probably have a better understanding of what’s real and not real than Rolex does. We have seen a few examples of Rolex calling something fake when indeed it’s authentic. The papers are garbage though. I don’t remember them pulling this gimmick when Jacek was there.


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[PepsiBezel]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Seems to me HQ Milton is just throwing insane prices on everything these days and seeing if anyone bites. They have a black dial Milgauss for 12,550 as an example. That's not even close to reality pricing on that model.

I like to look at HQMilton and see what they have. I think they are a good dealer, but I’ve noticed that everything is “excellent.” Excellent case, excellent dial, excellent bezel, etc. It doesn’t matter if it is a 2020 ceramic model, or a 1970 vintage.

I’ve become a fan of Jacek’s (formerly of HQMilton) site and venture at Tropical Watch.

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by Trog

Damn! I'm clearly going to have raise the price expectation on mine.

Yea I think everyone here just added 10k to all of our 1675 lol

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by 330ci

Absolutely bonkers imo. Rare and in decent shape, but 28k is just ridiculous to spend on a non gilt 1675

How is it rare?
Maybe they screwed up.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

You’re totally right, but to be fair, Scott and his tech probably have a better understanding of what’s real and not real than Rolex does. We have seen a few examples of Rolex calling something fake when indeed it’s authentic. The papers are garbage though. I don’t remember them pulling this gimmick when Jacek was there.


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this is actually quite the issue for vintage watches. I recently had a 5508 looked at by RSC - said nah, your dial is a refinished dial. A number of seasoned members here looked at it and gave it the thumbs up. I also found a number of the same dial on HQMilton, etc for my own sanity.

Bottom line is RSC can't be the bible for vintage pieces because when you have 30-40 year old technicians who have never worked on a vintage 50-60s watch, they just don't know any better. What also makes everyone's lives harder is the fact that Rolex has so many dial variations over the years, gilt, matte, gilt with gilt print, gilt with silver print, gilt with white print, how do you keep up?

My go to now is dealer's websites and this forum for proper assessment. RSC is not reliable for anything earlier than the 70's.

[alwayshere]

oh yeah f*ck, forgot about the OP's query - yes very expensive for a standard GMT. I wish we can all add 10K but seems unrealistic for now.

[baumare]

I wasn't crazy about the watch to begin with, thinking I would never spend that kind of money on that example, but I kept scrolling trough the photos to see the "Service Papers"...

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

this is actually quite the issue for vintage watches. I recently had a 5508 looked at by RSC - said nah, your dial is a refinished dial. A number of seasoned members here looked at it and gave it the thumbs up. I also found a number of the same dial on HQMilton, etc for my own sanity.

Bottom line is RSC can't be the bible for vintage pieces because when you have 30-40 year old technicians who have never worked on a vintage 50-60s watch, they just don't know any better. What also makes everyone's lives harder is the fact that Rolex has so many dial variations over the years, gilt, matte, gilt with gilt print, gilt with silver print, gilt with white print, how do you keep up?

My go to now is dealer's websites and this forum for proper assessment. RSC is not reliable for anything earlier than the 70's.

Totally agree. Much more knowledge on this forum and over on the vintage forum than in the RSC.


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[colpol]

I walked through the Argyll Arcade In Glasgow last week

Everything extortionate. Sign of the times.

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by swish77

Fabulous insert, but the rest of the watch looks average to my eyes, relative to the price, and the bracelet looks shot.

For that kind of money, I'd want a much crisper example all-around AND that insert.

And maybe I'm getting grumpy (er) the longer I'm in this hobby, but am I the only one bugged by the reference to "service papers" in the listing? Maybe minor, but that implies RSC papers, not the HQ Milton paperwork, which should be standard. I've bought a couple of watches from them through the years, and they always say they go over all their movements before selling.

I was irked by the papers, which are just on HQ Milton letterhead from a couple weeks ago... this is gilt pricing, you would think they would tidy up the endlinks if listing for this price. I really sound like an old grump too!

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by Andjwhite

Anyone have $28k lying around that they want to give me?

I don’t have the funds anyway, but wondering what the experts think on this example. I actually love it, but want to hear opinions from others and if you think it’s worth the $$!

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...e-papers-A4495

I like it - I don't 28K like it.

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Is it easy to fix the gap between the lugs and endlink?

Needs new endlinks - these have been shaved or someone swapped in smaller endlinks.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Andjwhite

The watchmaker at HQ Milton is very good. I would not view papers from RSC as superior to HQ papers.

Yes, he is good and might know a lot more in the world of vintage Rolexes than your average RSC watchmaker. However, RSC service papers are a lot more valuable than HQ papers, and you often need to pay a premium for them if they come with a watch.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by swish77

Yes, he is good and might know a lot more in the world of vintage Rolexes than your average RSC watchmaker. However, RSC service papers are a lot more valuable than HQ papers, and you often need to pay a premium for them if they come with a watch.

This ^^^^

[overgrower]

Maybe the independent service paper thing is a recent trend?

Jacek at Tropical Watch also has a GMT listed "with Service Papers" that are not RSC service papers. I know that Giovanni is the old SF RSC.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/dk61

But some other watches on the site listed "with Service Papers" is actually a RSC card.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/nwqe

[Andjwhite]

Originally Posted by swish77

Yes, he is good and might know a lot more in the world of vintage Rolexes than your average RSC watchmaker. However, RSC service papers are a lot more valuable than HQ papers, and you often need to pay a premium for them if they come with a watch.

Gotcha, thanks!

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by overgrower

Maybe the independent service paper thing is a recent trend?

Jacek at Tropical Watch also has a GMT listed "with Service Papers" that are not RSC service papers. I know that Giovanni is the old SF RSC.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/dk61

But some other watches on the site listed "with Service Papers" is actually a RSC card.

https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/nwqe

RSC papers are now a card, at least they have been for the last 4-5 watches I’ve done.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

RSC papers are now a card, at least they have been for the last 4-5 watches I’ve done.


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I agree - but there’s always been a card as far back as I can recall. I have bought vintage Rolexes with RSC Service Warranty cards back into the ‘90’s.

And there are papers to be considered with an RSC service. A fully documented RSC overhaul includes the estimate quote prior to service that shows required and recommended items, plus the invoice after service showing what was actually done.


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