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Protour2003 · 16 June 2018, 10:31 AM

Hi all... Well, my AD came through again. I've read all the posts about waiting lists, and certain watches being impossible to get. My AD called me 2 years ago and said he got a surprise from Patek. A 5711 with Blue dial. Needless to say I jumped on it. Fast forward to two days ago. Another surprise... Black dial 5960 in steel. I think this will be quite the collector piece, since there was only a one year production run and a steel "sport" model. I'm surprised that more people don't talk about this watch. Thoughts?

A3MED · 16 June 2018, 10:51 AM

I tried the white dial a while ago. I did not like the bracelet. Too shiny for my liking, reminds me of Breitlings. Useful everyday complications though.

Good luck!

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turborolex · 16 June 2018, 12:57 PM

I got offered the same watch twice and I passed. It may be collectable in the future, but it’s not a watch I would wear and enjoy. Just my personal view.

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SW1 · 16 June 2018, 12:59 PM

Small production runs doesnt always mean scarcity...it sometimes implies people dont want it

Sam Philip · 16 June 2018, 02:43 PM

5960P black dial had a shorter production run than 5960A black dial. 5960P is not commanding any premium in the secondary market at the moment

kashb · 16 June 2018, 10:08 PM

Don't think you can compare the two though. If you want a platinum 5960 there are many out there and at a lot of different price points thanks to its production timeframe and different rrps. The black 5960P just isn't different enough, although it is the priciest of the platinum models.

The steel is a completely different dial and a lot sportier and modern. Add that you have a cheaper going rate, bracelet or leather and its steel (rarer metal for pp, lighter so not top heavy) in my opinion means its a good long term bet. Secondary market prices are around list still and thats with some AD inventory still out there. A lot more white dials out there thanks to the longer run, black is not so.

Think about the complications you get for the money. Once the hype over nautilus subsides in the next couple of years i think we will see some love for other references.

But more than that its a lovely watch dressed up or down, great daily wear. Good luck with the choice, no bad decision.

JJ WA · 16 June 2018, 10:56 PM

Most of the dislike about the 5960A is due to the shiny bracelet. There are many pictures on forums of owners who put it on leather straps and I have to say that looks amazing. If I had the watch I would do the same.

Protour2003 · 16 June 2018, 11:29 PM

Thanks! I agree... The bracelet is a bit "blingy", but I love the head of the watch. I would put a croc strap on it. The AD said the center links are part of the case. I don't think they are correct though, as I've seen pics of others that have done it.

tyler1980 · 17 June 2018, 12:39 AM

i can say its growing on me. So if it takes people a while to come around it may indeed be collectable, but that is purely a guess. IMO one year was not enough of a run as i do think its the nicest variant of that series.

Rolexavidfan · 17 June 2018, 12:53 AM

Not for me, sorry! Shiny bracelet, thick concave bezel, PR indicator making it more busy, annual calendar preferred a perpetual.

Don't think it will ever be a collectible piece even with short runs on the SS model.

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kneedeep · 17 June 2018, 08:00 AM

Have never seen the black dial in the wild or at an AD, but every single PP AD I've ever been to has had the white dial unsold. I agree mainly the bracelet holding these back but leather strap can improve the look. It is a thick watch that takes getting used to on the wrist.

codecow · 17 June 2018, 08:40 AM

I have the white dial. It’s a great watch pull the trigger!

PatekSF · 17 June 2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by codecow

I have the white dial. It’s a great watch pull the trigger!

Agreed. The 5960 white dial is a great daily for me.

I’ve seen the black and as suspected, it’s very illegible ... simply impossible to read.

soundserious · 17 June 2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PatekSF

Agreed. The 5960 white dial is a great daily for me.

I’ve seen the black and as suspected, it’s very illegible ... simply impossible to read.

Common complaint for black dial Patek’s, and totally agree. Need different treatment on the hands perhaps.

Viscount1961 · 13 July 2018, 05:35 AM

My daily wear to the office is a white dial 5960a and it’s the most comfortable watch I own. I don’t think the bracelet is too much, but then I prefer steel bracelets generally.

Compare the black face to the white face before pulling the trigger.

daveyw · 13 July 2018, 08:45 PM

The 5960 is a great watch and I fell in love with the dial of the 5960r. For me though I passsed as the overall thickness of the watch was not what I wanted from a Patek. If that doesn’t bother you then you are getting a fantastic piece that I’m sure will bounce back in later years

Starguru · 13 July 2018, 11:31 PM

Its too thicc. I like the complications but it sits like a hockey puck on the wrist. I wish it didn't have the rotor (it has a power reserve after all) and was 2-3mm thinner.

Tay821 · 13 July 2018, 11:39 PM

Love it. Put the white dial on a black strap and you're good to go

16 June 2018, 10:31 AM	#1
Protour2003 Banned Join Date: May 2017 Location: USA Watch: the next one Posts: 112	Thoughts on 5960? Hi all... Well, my AD came through again. I've read all the posts about waiting lists, and certain watches being impossible to get. My AD called me 2 years ago and said he got a surprise from Patek. A 5711 with Blue dial. Needless to say I jumped on it. Fast forward to two days ago. Another surprise... Black dial 5960 in steel. I think this will be quite the collector piece, since there was only a one year production run and a steel "sport" model. I'm surprised that more people don't talk about this watch. Thoughts?

16 June 2018, 12:57 PM	#3
turborolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: H. Location: USA Posts: 564	I got offered the same watch twice and I passed. It may be collectable in the future, but it’s not a watch I would wear and enjoy. Just my personal view. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ current collection: Patek 5712, Patek 5726 (white), Patek 5990, Patek 5524G, Rolex 116500 (white & black), AP 26331ST (Blue).

17 June 2018, 12:39 AM	#9
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	i can say its growing on me. So if it takes people a while to come around it may indeed be collectable, but that is purely a guess. IMO one year was not enough of a run as i do think its the nicest variant of that series. __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

17 June 2018, 12:53 AM	#10
Rolexavidfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Har Location: Tukwila, WA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,568	Not for me, sorry! Shiny bracelet, thick concave bezel, PR indicator making it more busy, annual calendar preferred a perpetual. Don't think it will ever be a collectible piece even with short runs on the SS model. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Go for the timepiece you love. You will save more. ...

17 June 2018, 08:00 AM	#11
kneedeep "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Not 2 far from u Posts: 3,457	Have never seen the black dial in the wild or at an AD, but every single PP AD I've ever been to has had the white dial unsold. I agree mainly the bracelet holding these back but leather strap can improve the look. It is a thick watch that takes getting used to on the wrist. __________________ Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018

16 June 2018, 10:51 AM	#2
A3MED "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Ahmed Location: Abu Dhabi / LA Posts: 294	I tried the white dial a while ago. I did not like the bracelet. Too shiny for my liking, reminds me of Breitlings. Useful everyday complications though. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

16 June 2018, 12:59 PM	#4
SW1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: GB Posts: 296	Small production runs doesnt always mean scarcity...it sometimes implies people dont want it

16 June 2018, 02:43 PM	#5
Sam Philip Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 4,345	5960P black dial had a shorter production run than 5960A black dial. 5960P is not commanding any premium in the secondary market at the moment

16 June 2018, 10:08 PM	#6
kashb "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 12	Don't think you can compare the two though. If you want a platinum 5960 there are many out there and at a lot of different price points thanks to its production timeframe and different rrps. The black 5960P just isn't different enough, although it is the priciest of the platinum models. The steel is a completely different dial and a lot sportier and modern. Add that you have a cheaper going rate, bracelet or leather and its steel (rarer metal for pp, lighter so not top heavy) in my opinion means its a good long term bet. Secondary market prices are around list still and thats with some AD inventory still out there. A lot more white dials out there thanks to the longer run, black is not so. Think about the complications you get for the money. Once the hype over nautilus subsides in the next couple of years i think we will see some love for other references. But more than that its a lovely watch dressed up or down, great daily wear. Good luck with the choice, no bad decision.

16 June 2018, 10:56 PM	#7
JJ WA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Seattle Posts: 787	Most of the dislike about the 5960A is due to the shiny bracelet. There are many pictures on forums of owners who put it on leather straps and I have to say that looks amazing. If I had the watch I would do the same.

16 June 2018, 11:29 PM	#8
Protour2003 Banned Join Date: May 2017 Location: USA Watch: the next one Posts: 112	Thanks! I agree... The bracelet is a bit "blingy", but I love the head of the watch. I would put a croc strap on it. The AD said the center links are part of the case. I don't think they are correct though, as I've seen pics of others that have done it.

17 June 2018, 08:40 AM	#12
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 4,768	I have the white dial. It’s a great watch pull the trigger!

13 July 2018, 05:35 AM	#15
Viscount1961 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: New York Watch: 16750 ExpII Posts: 164	My daily wear to the office is a white dial 5960a and it’s the most comfortable watch I own. I don’t think the bracelet is too much, but then I prefer steel bracelets generally. Compare the black face to the white face before pulling the trigger.

13 July 2018, 08:45 PM	#16
daveyw "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: herts Posts: 94	The 5960 is a great watch and I fell in love with the dial of the 5960r. For me though I passsed as the overall thickness of the watch was not what I wanted from a Patek. If that doesn’t bother you then you are getting a fantastic piece that I’m sure will bounce back in later years

13 July 2018, 11:31 PM	#17
Starguru "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: VA Posts: 238	Its too thicc. I like the complications but it sits like a hockey puck on the wrist. I wish it didn't have the rotor (it has a power reserve after all) and was 2-3mm thinner.

13 July 2018, 11:39 PM	#18
Tay821 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 913	Love it. Put the white dial on a black strap and you're good to go

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