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sojourner · 10 July 2018, 06:45 PM

I posted on VRF but would like opinions here as well.

Please let me know what you think about this 5500...

1675-David · 10 July 2018, 06:51 PM

Looks like a redial sorry.

sojourner · 10 July 2018, 06:56 PM

Oh no, OK. Thanks David.

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

Looks like a redial sorry.

Haywood_Milton · 10 July 2018, 07:33 PM

I also believe it to be incorrect.

HM

sojourner · 10 July 2018, 07:40 PM

Thank you sir.

Would you say the dial is fake or relumed? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

I also believe it to be incorrect.

HM

sojourner · 11 July 2018, 06:55 AM

How about this one?

Haywood_Milton · 11 July 2018, 07:16 AM

I don’t like the dial on either. I am saying worse than reluming!

Suggest significant change of direction from purchasing to research, lest expensive mistake is made.

roh123 · 11 July 2018, 07:23 AM

5500 Explorer is seriously a model to avoid. Only pain..

You have a nice one? Congrats. You want to buy one? Change your mind.

sojourner · 11 July 2018, 07:32 AM

Understood, OK. Thanks again for your input sir.

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

I don’t like the dial on either. I am saying worse than reluming!

Suggest significant change of direction from purchasing to research, lest expensive mistake is made.

sojourner · 11 July 2018, 07:33 AM

Words to live by for sure. I guess my 5500 Explorer dream is over... I did not realize they were so difficult to source.

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Originally Posted by roh123

5500 Explorer is seriously a model to avoid. Only pain..

You have a nice one? Congrats. You want to buy one? Change your mind.

sojourner · 11 July 2018, 07:35 AM

Please point me to a clean example if one exists for sale.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

I don’t like the dial on either. I am saying worse than reluming!

Suggest significant change of direction from purchasing to research, lest expensive mistake is made.

roh123 · 11 July 2018, 07:38 AM

Almost 10 out of 10 are redone and faked in order to make a cheap watch expensive. Get a nice 1016 instead if that look appeals to you.

Haywood_Milton · 11 July 2018, 07:50 AM

Real ones exist; I have three different dial versions and there are more again that are correct. White text, gilt text, underline etc, even a luminova service version.

Most indeed, however, including the two in this thread, are not among them.

sojourner · 11 July 2018, 08:16 AM

Last one for educational purposes. No good as well?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Real ones exist; I have three different dial versions and there are more again that are correct. White text, gilt text, underline etc, even a luminova service version.

Most indeed, however, including the two in this thread, are not among them.

Haywood_Milton · 11 July 2018, 09:09 AM

That one looks better.

watchcrank · 11 July 2018, 10:39 AM

As said difficult to find a nice one. They do exist & nice to wear.

N5XTC · 11 July 2018, 11:38 AM

i think i died and went to explorer heaven looking at the pics. like pornography only better!

Kingface66 · 11 July 2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by N5XTC

i think i died and went to explorer heaven looking at the pics. like pornography only better!

Even the incorrect, possibly repainted ones?

N5XTC · 11 July 2018, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

Even the incorrect, possibly repainted ones?

yes! better a repainted incorrect explorer than something else.

Kingface66 · 11 July 2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by N5XTC

yes! better a repainted incorrect explorer than something else.

Like an authentic one?

I’m sorry, you’ve lost me.

Haywood_Milton · 11 July 2018, 08:00 PM

Sojourner, I regret that I do not offer an individual purchase advice service by private message - but good luck with your search!

N5XTC · 11 July 2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

Like an authentic one?

I’m sorry, you’ve lost me.

was sarcasm. sorry to lose you.

jscom · 11 July 2018, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Real ones exist; I have three different dial versions and there are more again that are correct. White text, gilt text, underline etc, even a luminova service version.

Would you agree to share pictures so we uneducated newbies understand a bit better how real ones should look like and get a bit less fooled?

Many thanks !

Haywood_Milton · 11 July 2018, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jscom

Would you agree to share pictures so we uneducated newbies understand a bit better how real ones should look like and get a bit less fooled?

Many thanks !

Depends if I get the time, but for now you might like the later stages of this article by my friend Bernhard :

http://magazine.bulangandsons.com/th...f-the-oysters/

jscom · 12 July 2018, 12:33 AM

Many thanks for the link, very much appreciated !

Kingface66 · 12 July 2018, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by N5XTC

was sarcasm. sorry to lose you.

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milwatch126 · 13 July 2018, 06:05 AM

Should be gilt and with 1530’s to be sure be sure IMO.

M

Haywood_Milton · 13 July 2018, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milwatch126

Should be gilt and with 1530’s to be sure be sure IMO.

M

I completely disagree. White text 5500 Explorer can be correct.

I believe the “gilt only” theory to be another Dowling-based myth.

Gilt can also be redial...

Haywood

sojourner · 13 July 2018, 03:13 PM

Here are more pics of the last one I posted. Non-gilt.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

I completely disagree. White text 5500 Explorer can be correct.

I believe the “gilt only” theory to be another Dowling-based myth.

Gilt can also be redial...

Haywood

cpefy3 · 13 July 2018, 04:37 PM

I personally think the 1016 is one of the most versatile references ever produced. It appeases those seeking a non-submariner vintsge reference with provenance and the WIS community. If I could only choose one reference, this would be mine. Good luck!!

10 July 2018, 07:33 PM	#4
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,319	I also believe it to be incorrect. HM __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

11 July 2018, 07:16 AM	#7
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,319	I don’t like the dial on either. I am saying worse than reluming! Suggest significant change of direction from purchasing to research, lest expensive mistake is made. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

11 July 2018, 07:23 AM	#8
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	5500 Explorer is seriously a model to avoid. Only pain.. You have a nice one? Congrats. You want to buy one? Change your mind. __________________ Instagram: @perj123

11 July 2018, 07:38 AM	#12
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	Almost 10 out of 10 are redone and faked in order to make a cheap watch expensive. Get a nice 1016 instead if that look appeals to you. __________________ Instagram: @perj123

11 July 2018, 07:50 AM	#13
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,319	Real ones exist; I have three different dial versions and there are more again that are correct. White text, gilt text, underline etc, even a luminova service version. Most indeed, however, including the two in this thread, are not among them. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

10 July 2018, 06:51 PM	#2
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,014	Looks like a redial sorry.

11 July 2018, 09:09 AM	#15
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,319	That one looks better. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

11 July 2018, 10:39 AM	#16
watchcrank "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: michael Location: Florida Watch: explorer II cream Posts: 1,661	As said difficult to find a nice one. They do exist & nice to wear.

11 July 2018, 11:38 AM	#17
N5XTC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Real Name: Scott Location: Hampton, Virginia Watch: 2008 Submariner Posts: 224	i think i died and went to explorer heaven looking at the pics. like pornography only better!

11 July 2018, 08:00 PM	#21
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,319	Sojourner, I regret that I do not offer an individual purchase advice service by private message - but good luck with your search! __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

12 July 2018, 12:33 AM	#25
jscom "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Europe Posts: 39	Many thanks for the link, very much appreciated !

13 July 2018, 06:05 AM	#27
milwatch126 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: Emerald Island Watch: 1962, 5512 Posts: 180	Should be gilt and with 1530’s to be sure be sure IMO. M

13 July 2018, 04:37 PM	#30
cpefy3 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Collin Location: Raleigh, NC Watch: 16014, 16600 Posts: 344	I personally think the 1016 is one of the most versatile references ever produced. It appeases those seeking a non-submariner vintsge reference with provenance and the WIS community. If I could only choose one reference, this would be mine. Good luck!!

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