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Old 12 July 2018, 03:18 PM   #31
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2 years ago the Paris salon didn't take names from first time clients even for a 5712, hence why I went to Switzerland to get one
3 years ago I bought my 5711 white out of the case and negotiated a discount of 5%. I received 10% on my 5167 out of the safe the year before. These days will return but not until the stock market halves itself again
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Old 12 July 2018, 05:57 PM   #32
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so you already got a 5711 from them that you flipped, and a 5167, and want now another 5711?
yes, i flipped it because i received the AP 15202 at the same time... a White dial watch is what's missing in my Collection ;-)
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Old 12 July 2018, 05:59 PM   #33
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Sounds like they simply don't want your business.
no that's not the case, because i'm getting invited to nice Events and i will get the new Pepsi in the next few weeks, at least something i can be looking forward to ;-)
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Old 12 July 2018, 07:57 PM   #34
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no that's not the case, because i'm getting invited to nice Events and i will get the new Pepsi in the next few weeks, at least something i can be looking forward to ;-)
I think you will find it is Patek stopping the 5711 not the AD, they are now asking about previous purchase history when an order for a 5711 is placed.
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Old 12 July 2018, 09:26 PM   #35
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I think you will find it is Patek stopping the 5711 not the AD, they are now asking about previous purchase history when an order for a 5711 is placed.
I think it’s AD, so easy for AD to get around the purchase history if really wanted to, they can just use someone else’s. It’s just an excuse.
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Old 13 July 2018, 02:23 AM   #36
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I think you will find it is Patek stopping the 5711 not the AD, they are now asking about previous purchase history when an order for a 5711 is placed.

I was not aware Patek asking about previous purchase history when an order is placed for a 5711. Few months back I placed an order on a 5711 white, later I was telling my AD that how much I like the new blue dial and without me even asking to be on the list my AD had put me on the list for the new 5711 blue. I now have both 5711 white and blue on order and I was never asked about previous purchase history
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:07 AM   #37
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I was not aware Patek asking about previous purchase history when an order is placed for a 5711. Few months back I placed an order on a 5711 white, later I was telling my AD that how much I like the new blue dial and without me even asking to be on the list my AD had put me on the list for the new 5711 blue. I now have both 5711 white and blue on order and I was never asked about previous purchase history
ive heard of it as far as running names past Rhone when AD's are requesting a watch. Every Patek i have was not in stock (minus the 5711) and came from Rhone to the AD after my AD tried to source it and rather quickly. So there is some sort of allocation that is possible that isnt the same as regular AD inventory. Otherwise i got very lucky and got watches on the same schedule as their normal allocations. In any case im pretty sure they are saying its for client X and maybe Rhone could veto it at that point?

Stuff AD's already have or are getting normally then maybe its different but i do think there is two different ways AD's are getting certain pieces: normal allocations for the store and watches for a specific person.
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:17 AM   #38
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3 years ago I bought my 5711 white out of the case and negotiated a discount of 5%. I received 10% on my 5167 out of the safe the year before. These days will return but not until the stock market halves itself again
Good luck! That won’t be for another 6.5 years!! LOL.
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:23 AM   #39
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Good luck! That won’t be for another 6.5 years!! LOL.
the way things are going with uncertainty, the markets are looking very shaky. thats overly optimistic IMO as nothing happening on the economic front is particularly good for business and will affect returns negatively.


The watch market is the same. It stopped these crazy increases and leveled out pretty close to when the markets got really jumpy, maybe lagging a few months but the 5711 seems stable now and not rising like it was. I think its connected and its either going up or way down depending on the market in the short term.
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:33 AM   #40
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the way things are going with uncertainty, the markets are looking very shaky. thats overly optimistic IMO as nothing happening on the economic front is particularly good for business and will affect returns negatively.


The watch market is the same. It stopped these crazy increases and leveled out pretty close to when the markets got really jumpy, maybe lagging a few months but the 5711 seems stable now and not rising like it was. I think its connected and its either going up or way down depending on the market in the short term.
It doesn’t really matter to me anymore. Lol. I realize I’m not getting any SS nautilus or pateks. And u know what, that’s ok! Life is still great!
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:35 AM   #41
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It doesn’t really matter to me anymore. Lol. I realize I’m not getting any SS nautilus or pateks. And u know what, that’s ok! Life is still great!
depending where you are on the WL you could be rooting for one outcome or the other. One gets you the watch quickly but you may be also underwater on your house

no win either way honestly. Thats why i disagree when people hope for a collapse in the watch market because the overall market mirrors it and thats a bigger deal than getting a watch.
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:39 AM   #42
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depending where you are on the WL you could be rooting for one outcome or the other. One gets you the watch quickly but you may be also underwater on your house

no win either way honestly. Thats why i disagree when people hope for a collapse in the watch market because the overall market mirrors it.
So true! Lol. But... I’m mortgage free! I have no right to complain, and I’m never selling my place.
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Old 13 July 2018, 03:55 AM   #43
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I was not aware Patek asking about previous purchase history when an order is placed for a 5711. Few months back I placed an order on a 5711 white, later I was telling my AD that how much I like the new blue dial and without me even asking to be on the list my AD had put me on the list for the new 5711 blue. I now have both 5711 white and blue on order and I was never asked about previous purchase history
But you have a purchase history and your name checked at Rhone will confirm this, they have a comprehensive database.

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ive heard of it as far as running names past Rhone when AD's are requesting a watch. Every Patek i have was not in stock (minus the 5711) and came from Rhone to the AD after my AD tried to source it and rather quickly. So there is some sort of allocation that is possible that isnt the same as regular AD inventory. Otherwise i got very lucky and got watches on the same schedule as their normal allocations. In any case im pretty sure they are saying its for client X and maybe Rhone could veto it at that point?

Stuff AD's already have or are getting normally then maybe its different but i do think there is two different ways AD's are getting certain pieces: normal allocations for the store and watches for a specific person.
This, agree.
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Old 13 July 2018, 04:01 AM   #44
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SS sport watches are really the only bright spot in an otherwise pretty lousy watch market. At some point manufacturers will have to further meet the demand for the SS sport models or see their bottom lines suffer.
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Old 13 July 2018, 11:10 PM   #45
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Said it once and will say it again: they need to discontinue the SS 5711 and focus on higher complication SS sport watches. Offer the 5711 only in PM. This watch simply skews the supply:demand equation too far to the entry level which is not a good thing.
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Old 13 July 2018, 11:19 PM   #46
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Said it once and will say it again: they need to discontinue the SS 5711 and focus on higher complication SS sport watches. Offer the 5711 only in PM. This watch simply skews the supply:demand equation too far to the entry level which is not a good thing.
P or G in regular production instead of SS i would like. After an initial rush you could get them at an AD at retail. Plus i quite like white PM and hopefully the 5740G was a move in that direction.
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I´d love a 5711G on bracelet.
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Old 14 July 2018, 12:40 AM   #48
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Said it once and will say it again: they need to discontinue the SS 5711 and focus on higher complication SS sport watches. Offer the 5711 only in PM. This watch simply skews the supply:demand equation too far to the entry level which is not a good thing.
Price people out of owning a PP?
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Discontinuing a watch that’s been in production for 40 years seems like a very poor decision to me. I called BS the moment TS hinted it. Low and behold he did the exact opposite and started pumping out more sports variants.
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Price people out of owning a PP?
i get the sentiment as basically they are no longer watches to get people into the brand anyway and are for people with decent sized collections.

I hate the term entry level but they really are not the low price offerings if they are not available to people shopping in that segment anyway. Buy a grand comp and its easy. Those people would also buy a PM version of its all that was offered.

Either way a new to Patek customer probably isnt getting a SS version and might not buy a PM one so the result is the same.
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Old 14 July 2018, 01:21 AM   #51
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3 years ago I bought my 5711 white out of the case and negotiated a discount of 5%. I received 10% on my 5167 out of the safe the year before. These days will return but not until the stock market halves itself again
All sufficiently new technology is indistinguishable from magic they say, so you indeed do look like a miracle worker now, Tom.
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Price people out of owning a PP?
Oh, absolutely. Nobody needs a Patek Philippe wrist watch. Not my quote, a guy named Stern said that.
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So i went to my AD last week, where i've already purchased two Pateks (5711 (blue dial) & 5167) and asked for another 5711 (White dial). He told me that i have to wait 15 years. that is just ridiculous.

what would you do?
Lol...maybe different age, different answer. My uncle was told 2-3 years
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