Would you do it..??

[rmlovett1]

I posted this in the regular forum...thought I’d post in vintage to get an all-around response.

I know ultimately it’s a decision made by me, get what you’ll love etc....
BUT...since this would be a major trade, I’d just like to hear others thoughts. Always appreciate this forum for the wisdom

I am a huge Daytona fan and have what I consider to be “Almost” the ultimate Daytona...
I have an opportunity to do a 3/1 trade....3 PM Rolex for a SS Rolex...the Daytona, IMO that’s an ultimate Daytona...6263 Big Red, silver dial, excellent condition, all original, reputable seller, etc...
Rolex I’d be left with: YG DD40 and 16600.
Trading WG GMT, WG DD 40, and PT Daytona.

Thoughts appreciated as always

[haven_seeker]

You have a fantastic collection.

Considering you're tossing in a PT Daytona in the mix, plus two other hot PM Rolex models, I would say don't do the trade.

If the PT doesn't sing to you, I'd say sell that off for what you can, and start banking the rest for a nice 6263.

I think the WG GMT is set to increase in value with the re-introduction through the SS BLRO (it certainly won't go down, anyway) and the WG DD40 is a great everyday watch you'd be giving up as well.

To each their own, but...I sure wouldn't do it!

[swish77]

I’m biased because I have a 6263 .... but I’d start with the math. Excellent condition 6263 Big Reds are going in the $90K range and up nowadays. What’s the estimated value of your watches you might trade? Assuming it’s in the ballpark of the same value, I’d then think long and hard about whether I’d be happy with a streamlined collection of watches, with one amazing vintage centerpiece.

And then ... yes, I’d do it! Keep in mind that the modern watches you’d be trading are getable at any time, assuming funds would be available. Nice Big Reds are very tough to get, and it’ll only get harder.

Any photos of the 6263 in question?

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by swish77

I’m biased because I have a 6263 .... but I’d start with the math. Excellent condition 6263 Big Reds are going in the $90K range and up nowadays. What’s the estimated value of your watches you might trade? Assuming it’s in the ballpark of the same value, I’d then think long and hard about whether I’d be happy with a streamlined collection of watches, with one amazing vintage centerpiece.

And then ... yes, I’d do it! Keep in mind that the modern watches you’d be trading are getable at any time, assuming funds would be available. Nice Big Reds are very tough to get, and it’ll only get harder.

Any photos of the 6263 in question?

+1
agree with Aaron.
Do the math on your pieces you plan to trade. Don't add their retail value, add the money spent on those pieces and see where it lands when compared to a 90k piece.

If the numbers make sense, then I would grab it. As said above, these modern pieces can be had at any time. Vintage pieces in great condition cannot.

PS: I would also like to see a pic of the Daytona in question you plan to trade for

[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by swish77

I’m biased because I have a 6263 .... but I’d start with the math. Excellent condition 6263 Big Reds are going in the $90K range and up nowadays. What’s the estimated value of your watches you might trade? Assuming it’s in the ballpark of the same value, I’d then think long and hard about whether I’d be happy with a streamlined collection of watches, with one amazing vintage centerpiece.

And then ... yes, I’d do it! Keep in mind that the modern watches you’d be trading are getable at any time, assuming funds would be available. Nice Big Reds are very tough to get, and it’ll only get harder.

Any photos of the 6263 in question?

I was in the same mindset:) all original except the bracelet






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[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by SubKing

+1

agree with Aaron.

Do the math on your pieces you plan to trade. Don't add their retail value, add the money spent on those pieces and see where it lands when compared to a 90k piece.



If the numbers make sense, then I would grab it. As said above, these modern pieces can be had at any time. Vintage pieces in great condition cannot.



PS: I would also like to see a pic of the Daytona in question you plan to trade for

Pics added and this from the seller...the seller is definitely legit..



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[Tom1675]

I think you do the trade.

I don't think you look at the money spent, you look at the value you would get for them --that's reality. You're obviously not attached to them in any sentimental way and this big red has you thinking.

Also, in terms of potential there is more with the big red...

[soundserious]

Gosh yes. You’re getting a good deal.

[Phrank]

Huge Daytona fan myself, and a chance to get a once in a lifetime piece, I'd do it hands down - if any other Daytona models call out to you later, you can find one.

The 6263 Big Red is a watch you put on and never take off....:-)

[77T]

Originally Posted by Richris1

Pics added and this from the seller...the seller is definitely legit..



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Didn’t see any pictures but if the watch checks out, then you should get what you want. If your 3 are worth less than $80K in their current condition, then the financial side seems fair.

The only thing that comes to mind is that honest and legit sellers sometimes make errors. Will the dealer hold your pieces in his safe until RSC gives you a clean bill of health?

If I had the 3 PMs you mentioned and could get a fine, correct and original 6263, I’d do it.


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[omitohud]

I would do it. U don’t see too many of those.


I blame it on autoconnect.

[swish77]

Looks like a very nice example. What’s the beginning of the serial number?

It’s amazing how many of the 6263s you see that are missing part or all of that 3 o’clock lume plot. Minor point, but interesting. Mine has a little loss there too.

[rmlovett1]

Update..can do trade for 6265 as well with less out of pocket, so to speak..let 2 instead of 3, PM pieces go for the 6265(shown below)

Originally Posted by SubKing

+1

agree with Aaron.

Do the math on your pieces you plan to trade. Don't add their retail value, add the money spent on those pieces and see where it lands when compared to a 90k piece.



If the numbers make sense, then I would grab it. As said above, these modern pieces can be had at any time. Vintage pieces in great condition cannot.



PS: I would also like to see a pic of the Daytona in question you plan to trade for

Originally Posted by Tom1675

I think you do the trade.

I don't think you look at the money spent, you look at the value you would get for them --that's reality. You're obviously not attached to them in any sentimental way and this big red has you thinking.

Also, in terms of potential there is more with the big red...

Originally Posted by haven_seeker

You have a fantastic collection.



Considering you're tossing in a PT Daytona in the mix, plus two other hot PM Rolex models, I would say don't do the trade.



If the PT doesn't sing to you, I'd say sell that off for what you can, and start banking the rest for a nice 6263.



I think the WG GMT is set to increase in value with the re-introduction through the SS BLRO (it certainly won't go down, anyway) and the WG DD40 is a great everyday watch you'd be giving up as well.



To each their own, but...I sure wouldn't do it!

Originally Posted by omitohud

I would do it. U don’t see too many of those.


I blame it on autoconnect.

Originally Posted by Phrank

Huge Daytona fan myself, and a chance to get a once in a lifetime piece, I'd do it hands down - if any other Daytona models call out to you later, you can find one.

The 6263 Big Red is a watch you put on and never take off....:-)

Originally Posted by swish77

I’m biased because I have a 6263 .... but I’d start with the math. Excellent condition 6263 Big Reds are going in the $90K range and up nowadays. What’s the estimated value of your watches you might trade? Assuming it’s in the ballpark of the same value, I’d then think long and hard about whether I’d be happy with a streamlined collection of watches, with one amazing vintage centerpiece.

And then ... yes, I’d do it! Keep in mind that the modern watches you’d be trading are getable at any time, assuming funds would be available. Nice Big Reds are very tough to get, and it’ll only get harder.

Any photos of the 6263 in question?

Originally Posted by soundserious

Gosh yes. You’re getting a good deal.

Originally Posted by 77T

Didn’t see any pictures but if the watch checks out, then you should get what you want. If your 3 are worth less than $80K in their current condition, then the financial side seems fair.

The only thing that comes to mind is that honest and legit sellers sometimes make errors. Will the dealer hold your pieces in his safe until RSC gives you a clean bill of health?

If I had the 3 PMs you mentioned and could get a fine, correct and original 6263, I’d do it.


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UPDATE....⬆️⬆️⬆️.... can do the 6265 (both watches shown above) as well, for 2 PM piece trade


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[05carbondrz]

I feel like you would be settling with the 6265,On a Grail purchase you have to commit.

[sensui]

As much as I like my Daytona...I wouldn't make those trades unless I was absolutely done with those PMs...very different type of satisfaction between vintage and top modern pieces.

[Vincent65]

Too much to lose with that trade. Nah.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by swish77

Looks like a very nice example. What’s the beginning of the serial number?

It’s amazing how many of the 6263s you see that are missing part or all of that 3 o’clock lume plot. Minor point, but interesting. Mine has a little loss there too.

I see that the 6263 is a 6.0 mil serial. I think it should have MK2 pushers, not the later ones, but double check to confirm. Maybe it was a transition period. Not a big deal if they were replaced at a service, only that the seller said the watch was all original except the bracelet.

I’d stick to the 6263 instead of the 6265. The 6263 is more iconic.

[SubKing]

go big or go home. stick with the 6263 if you're already doing the trade. You will regret it later, since the 6263 is the piece you originally had it out for.

I also notices a bit of lume loss at the 3 as swish pointed out. Not a deal breaker, it's actually more common to find dials missing half or all the chaptering lume, it happens on these pieces during service. So taking that into consideration, this piece is in beautiful condition compared to most out there.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Too much to lose with that trade. Nah.

Plus not to mention I would never pay top dollar for a 6263 with missing any lume which is a huge deal breaker for me.

[Chiboy]

Obviously, these are very different alternatives (3 current PM vs. 6263). Value-wise, I would guess around $45k for the pt. Daytona, and somewhere around $22k-$25k each for the GMT and DD. So if you'd buy the 6263 for $90k or so, it's an easy way to get there.

[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by haven_seeker

You have a fantastic collection.

Considering you're tossing in a PT Daytona in the mix, plus two other hot PM Rolex models, I would say don't do the trade.

If the PT doesn't sing to you, I'd say sell that off for what you can, and start banking the rest for a nice 6263.

I think the WG GMT is set to increase in value with the re-introduction through the SS BLRO (it certainly won't go down, anyway) and the WG DD40 is a great everyday watch you'd be giving up as well.

To each their own, but...I sure wouldn't do it!

Originally Posted by swish77

I’m biased because I have a 6263 .... but I’d start with the math. Excellent condition 6263 Big Reds are going in the $90K range and up nowadays. What’s the estimated value of your watches you might trade? Assuming it’s in the ballpark of the same value, I’d then think long and hard about whether I’d be happy with a streamlined collection of watches, with one amazing vintage centerpiece.

And then ... yes, I’d do it! Keep in mind that the modern watches you’d be trading are getable at any time, assuming funds would be available. Nice Big Reds are very tough to get, and it’ll only get harder.

Any photos of the 6263 in question?

Originally Posted by SubKing

+1
agree with Aaron.
Do the math on your pieces you plan to trade. Don't add their retail value, add the money spent on those pieces and see where it lands when compared to a 90k piece.

If the numbers make sense, then I would grab it. As said above, these modern pieces can be had at any time. Vintage pieces in great condition cannot.

PS: I would also like to see a pic of the Daytona in question you plan to trade for

Originally Posted by Tom1675

I think you do the trade.

I don't think you look at the money spent, you look at the value you would get for them --that's reality. You're obviously not attached to them in any sentimental way and this big red has you thinking.

Also, in terms of potential there is more with the big red...

Originally Posted by soundserious

Gosh yes. You’re getting a good deal.

Originally Posted by Phrank

Huge Daytona fan myself, and a chance to get a once in a lifetime piece, I'd do it hands down - if any other Daytona models call out to you later, you can find one.

The 6263 Big Red is a watch you put on and never take off....:-)

Originally Posted by 77T

Didn’t see any pictures but if the watch checks out, then you should get what you want. If your 3 are worth less than $80K in their current condition, then the financial side seems fair.

The only thing that comes to mind is that honest and legit sellers sometimes make errors. Will the dealer hold your pieces in his safe until RSC gives you a clean bill of health?

If I had the 3 PMs you mentioned and could get a fine, correct and original 6263, I’d do it.


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Originally Posted by omitohud

I would do it. U don’t see too many of those.


I blame it on autoconnect.

Originally Posted by sensui

As much as I like my Daytona...I wouldn't make those trades unless I was absolutely done with those PMs...very different type of satisfaction between vintage and top modern pieces.

Originally Posted by 05carbondrz

I feel like you would be settling with the 6265,On a Grail purchase you have to commit.

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Obviously, these are very different alternatives (3 current PM vs. 6263). Value-wise, I would guess around $45k for the pt. Daytona, and somewhere around $22k-$25k each for the GMT and DD. So if you'd buy the 6263 for $90k or so, it's an easy way to get there.

Many thanks! Very much appreciate all the feedback gentlemen!
After much consideration, I will not be doing this trade...losing a bit too much.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Richris1

Many thanks! Very much appreciate all the feedback gentlemen!
After much consideration, I will not be doing this trade...losing a bit too much.

Wow, after all that!? Just kidding, but if your heart (and head) aren't sure, you're doing the right thing. You need to be fully committed, of course.

Mine says it's disappointed.

[Boaters]

Originally Posted by swish77

Wow, after all that!? Just kidding, but if your heart (and head) aren't sure, you're doing the right thing. You need to be fully committed, of course.

Mine says it's disappointed.

Beautiful

[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by swish77

Wow, after all that!? Just kidding, but if your heart (and head) aren't sure, you're doing the right thing. You need to be fully committed, of course.

Mine says it's disappointed.

Please stop!!!
That’s a beautiful watch! Always love seeing it! I appreciate the feedback!

[Wiener48]

Result is 50/50 - I would trade

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by HL65

Plus not to mention I would never pay top dollar for a 6263 with missing any lume which is a huge deal breaker for me.

Yup - bummer at 3 o'clock, twice a day

[themaninblack]

It might not be the case here but it’s better to have one watch that you really like and want to wear than three that you don’t.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Yup - bummer at 3 o'clock, twice a day

[roh123]

I would not buy that 6263 for 90k or more. I agree with Ken regarding the dial.

Mk3 pushers feels acceptable above 6m serial. If that matters.. Personally I think standard manual Daytonas have peaked value wise. There are a lot of watches for sale at current levels and I doubt demand us meeting up. I’d be careful to buy at the moment.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by roh123

I would not buy that 6263 for 90k or more. I agree with Ken regarding the dial.

Good luck finding a Daytona 6263 with perfect, fully intact lume plots at every hour marker. I'm sure they exist, but it's much more common to see a little loss on a couple of the dots, especially at 3 and 9, where the watchmaker's tool for removing the hands can cause damage. It's minor, in my book, as long as it's not too much. Has very little to do with the beauty of the watch, although we vintage lovers all have our own likes/dislikes, so I get it.

People have been saying for a couple of years that Daytonas must have peaked. They're still going up.