so sick of the shortage!!

[gmtln]

Originally Posted by DG123

Buy a Rolex that your AD has in stock and enjoy

This could wind up a more expensive route.
Do not settle, and go with the watch that your truly desire, because ultimately the Sub will always be on your mind since it is your grail.

If you can afford to, pay the slight premium and enjoy it now.

[Johnpierpontmorgan]

the chinese are rich.

their spending power is so huge that if they want anything, prices will rise



suck it up or move on to other brands

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by 1William

I would not let market forces control what I bought. I would contact one of our Trusted Sellers on TRF and have a discussion about what I wanted. You will come to a fair market price and have the watch the next day, after you pay, at 10:30 a.m. Stop with the I hope I get lucky or having to kiss up to an AD just buy the watch, start the ownership experience and move on. Good luck and let us know what you decide.

X2. I want what I want, when I want it. It has nothing to do with patience but looking over the playing field and make the best play I can during the game. Waiting 2 years to buy a watch isn’t enjoyable or rewarding. It’s infuriating and I don’t wait that long to purchase or build a commercial property so waiting on a mass produced watch will never happen.

The days of buying a Rolex optimally are long gone. I had to come to peace with that 2 years ago. That said other brands are just as exciting and I like them just as much as my Rolex models. I have focused on them more as Rolex evolution of design is very slow and conservative so you learn nothing that significant will happen in a new model. I can understand the desire for one of the new models with the new 32 movement as it’s future proof for a long long time. The Rolex Sub will be getting a new movement but we all knew this and we know the movement so why overpay now for the old model?? My logic is if I am going to over pay, it’s gonna be on the latest and newest movement.

[Jonah10]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Exactly. There is no shortage. For all the people who are on a waiting list for a Hulk, does this look like a shortage...




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I show pics like this to my AD every time she says I ask for a difficult watch lol. I tell them if you guys stop selling them to greys we wouldn’t have an issue. It’s funny how they google customers to see if they are resellers when they are the ones doing all the reselling


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[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Jonah10

...It’s funny how they google customers to see if they are resellers when they are the ones doing all the reselling

The “customers are the good guys; ADs are the bad guys” trope is getting tiring.

What you have said is patently incorrect. You need look no further than this forum to find flippers.

Im not saying all ADs are saints. But I can categorically state that not all customers are either.

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Exactly. There is no shortage. For all the people who are on a waiting list for a Hulk, does this look like a shortage...




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What happen to WatchTradingCo?

They are no longer on Instagram. Did they go broke hoarding all the hyped SS pieces?

[DG123]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

The “customers are the good guys; ADs are the bad guys” trope is getting tiring.

What you have said is patently incorrect. You need look no further than this forum to find flippers.

Im not saying all ADs are saints. But I can categorically state that not all customers are either.

I don't know about "flipper", but I do think lots of retail consumers are only interested in watches they might buy new for MSRP , a price which is below the preowned market for same reference.
So that begs the question of why the consumer wants a particular Rolex model?
For some I think the answer is "because I won't lose money when/if I sell it".

[Mr. Drunmond]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

You are suggesting that market value is worth paying attention to when it means you get a discount and MRSP is the one true price when the market dictates you would pay a premium. Which is it to be?

Do not try to introduce logic in here my good sir.

[JebM]

I keep losing my violin... they should make them larger


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[Rori]

Originally Posted by Polarexplorerii

Guys i am so pissed and sick of the bull!! I have been trying to get a Sub date from a AD since last Nov and I can’t even get on a "waitlist”!! I don’t wanna buy a pre owned or pay over retail.. Hell i even tried to buy a Tudor BB58 and i can’t even do that!! so tired

Maybe you've been on the ugly side of luck but don't give up.
Keep trying and don't compromise.
You'll have it, I'm sure you'll have it.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Polarexplorerii

Guys i am so pissed and sick of the bull!! I have been trying to get a Sub date from a AD since last Nov and I can’t even get on a "waitlist”!! I don’t wanna buy a pre owned or pay over retail.. Hell i even tried to buy a Tudor BB58 and i can’t even do that!! so tired

Just purchase from one of the reputable sellers here on the forum. A basic black Sub date will not have much of a markup. With 40 million unemployed I'm sure a seller will be willing to negotiate. If you would like a reference don't hesitate to PM me.

[Madman37]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Just purchase from one of the reputable sellers here on the forum. A basic black Sub date will not have much of a markup. With 40 million unemployed I'm sure a seller will be willing to negotiate. If you would like a reference don't hesitate to PM me.

Fully agree with this. You get to spend more time with the watch you want and to buy it at retail you probably have to buy lots of other rubbish on top to develop a relationship which would make it the same as a grey sellers price anyway.

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by gmtln

You will be back

so true, they always come back!

[ferrissteve11]

Just buy the one you want on the grey market and be done with it. Pay a little premium at the front end for effectively a lifetime of watch owning/wearing satisfaction.

[Sandpit]

Originally Posted by DG123

I don't know about "flipper", but I do think lots of retail consumers are only interested in watches they might buy new for MSRP , a price which is below the preowned market for same reference.
So that begs the question of why the consumer wants a particular Rolex model?
For some I think the answer is "because I won't lose money when/if I sell it".

I think you're bang on the money here. How many Hulk / Pepsi / Daytona buyers would be on the lists if they knew their purchase would lose money as soon as they picked them up? Not as many, for sure.

It's a shame that value retention consumes so many people, but I understand why.

[Ensign]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Exactly. There is no shortage. For all the people who are on a waiting list for a Hulk, does this look like a shortage...




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Wow, and those are Hulks.

Imagine his toilet paper hoard!

[jamestucker]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

The “customers are the good guys; ADs are the bad guys” trope is getting tiring.

What you have said is patently incorrect. You need look no further than this forum to find flippers.

Im not saying all ADs are saints. But I can categorically state that not all customers are either.

Very well said.

I am new to the forum but I have already identified several flippers but they are a minority. Majority are genuine enthusiasts

[Ihatecheese]

It's better than being sick.

[Andrejb]

I purchased a sub grey market just a few months ago for just $100 over retail and it was 4 months old. If you want one THAT badly they can be had for pretty close to retail still, just have to look in the right places


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[htc8p]

in hongkong the gray dealers have taken full advantage. you will have to pay premium of more than 10k-13k hkd

[Jonah10]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

The “customers are the good guys; ADs are the bad guys” trope is getting tiring.

What you have said is patently incorrect. You need look no further than this forum to find flippers.

Im not saying all ADs are saints. But I can categorically state that not all customers are either.

I agree, there are some flippers on here for sure but that guy in the pic with 20+ hulks and other pics of resellers with as many Daytona’s didn’t just get lucky, a nice combo of flippers and shady AD’s sold those watches. It is what it is, best of luck to everyone trying to get these pieces


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[Yess]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Exactly. There is no shortage. For all the people who are on a waiting list for a Hulk, does this look like a shortage...




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Are these real or replica???

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by Yess

Are these real or replica???

Real I would say

[ramonrq731]

Originally Posted by Andrejb

I purchased a sub grey market just a few months ago for just $100 over retail and it was 4 months old. If you want one THAT badly they can be had for pretty close to retail still, just have to look in the right places


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Thanks Andre... which my places would you recommend? Cheers


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[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by aw9nineteen

Ut oh. Sounding like we may need an uprising. Seems to be what’s happening here anyways.


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I just posted this in another thread but it seems applicable here...

No Rolex, No peace!

[Marcjvr]

Interestingly I just checked how many Rolexes are for sale on Chrono24 this morning and 80,001 results came back

That’s a lot of watches to choose from. Don’t waste time playing the AD games

[brian628]

Originally Posted by Polarexplorerii

Guys i am so pissed and sick of the bull!! I have been trying to get a Sub date from a AD since last Nov and I can’t even get on a "waitlist”!! I don’t wanna buy a pre owned or pay over retail.. Hell i even tried to buy a Tudor BB58 and i can’t even do that!! so tired

This is called Capitalism 101. Supply and Demand.

If you don't want to pay over retail or buy per-owned, perhaps you need to look at other brands.

The market balance of supply and demand sets price. The purchase price of a watch or a house or a car, is whatever someone is will to pay for it.

Why is this difficult to understand?

[Rolexatlast]

Originally Posted by horseShu

People who really love the watch would've bought it already, with premium if they have to.

People who stick to this MSRP mantra sounds more like they are trying to cash in.

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Because they won’t pay several thousand $ to middlemen that add no value?

[djyolky]

Originally Posted by brian628

This is called Capitalism 101. Supply and Demand.



If you don't want to pay over retail or buy per-owned, perhaps you need to look at other brands.



The market balance of supply and demand sets price. The purchase price of a watch or a house or a car, is whatever someone is will to pay for it.



Why is this difficult to understand?

Except this is an artificial supply and demand issue we're dealing with here.

So none of what you said pertains. If you like to blow extra money at an item that costs less, that's your prerogative.

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[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Johnpierpontmorgan

Hard truths... I paid the premium for all my sports models.

Living in a city state, I have zero chance of hoping for AD unless I’m a big spender

Hard truth lol what a joke. I'm not going to pay over retail, principles.