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2 June 2020, 09:42 PM | #1 |
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Does year of submariner make a difference
I'm looking to buy submariner within the next week had a few I've been looking. There's a few I've been deciding on but two are form the 80s and one is from the early 90s all in fair used condition and about the same price . Is there any difference between the older vs slightly newer ?
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2 June 2020, 09:47 PM | #2 |
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yes, depending on what you are looking at, there were material changes to the case, and possibly movement changes as well.
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As said above would need to be more specific to say. No hole case / hole case, different fonts on inserts, dial variations, solid end links versus non solid, etc.
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There can be a difference inside but the outer appearance is fairly similar. Of course, condition is the most important matter. But inside, early 1980s model 16800 Subs had the Rolex caliber 3085 movement. The 16800 was launched in 1979, and now called a transitional model - bridging the gap from the 4-digit 1680 to the 5-digit era. By 1988, the new caliber 3135 had replaced the 3085. And the model 16610 became a new legend. That didn’t change in the 1990’s - same movement inside but minor improvements in materials and better crafting. Those changes are invisible but they make for better longevity. You might see some minor visible dial and case differences, but none really affect an owner. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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These are the two I was deciding on , both no paperwork. 16800 vs 11610
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Details are everything with Rolex, especially older submariners. Do your research before you purchase.
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Since they are similar appeance models it depends on what you're looking for as stated above. If you like the patina look the first pic you posted has more of a "creamy" coloration that many desire on an older model. I'm not too up on vintage models but I believe the 16800 was the "transitional" model with less years in production. Someone PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I don't know if there was a clasp difference with those models maybe someone can chime in.
Not model specific but another thing that you'll see or read about is the case regarding polished / not polished. And make sure it's been serviced or take that into cost considerations. Service can be upwards of $500. Most important buy the seller. |
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The paperwork isn't that hard to copy, easier than a watch so I am not sure what your point is?
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Ask about most recent service, as this could also be a factor depending given the cost of service for a Rolex watch
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Hands look pitted in the 1st picture.
What's going on with those lume plots, some uneven patina in there. Bezel looks like its had a hard polishing in both pictures. Gaps between the inside of the lugs and the end links are too much for me. That poor 16610 has had a kicking over it's life. No service papers - ouch. I'd personally keep looking. Last edited by Jimmy 1665; 3 June 2020 at 04:03 AM.. Reason: Accuracy |
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All other factors being equal or nearly so (price, condition, service history, long-term single owners, etc.) - I would have to opt for the 16610. That’s because it’s 10 years newer and more likely to have service availability that much longer. But I agree with the post above - keep looking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Buy the watch in the best condition for the money that you are willing to spend.
There is no point in buying a 16610, for example, if the 16800 is in better condition. They have slightly different movements, but are physically indistinguishable from one another. The 16800 is made of 316 Stainless, while the 16610 is made from 904L, if that means anything for you.
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