The longest incoming - Kari Voutilainen

[KarlS]

I am duplicating pictures so will post tomorrow. However I can confirm Captsin Andy is going an excellent job and we are currently still airborne!

[KarlS]

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[KarlS]

Moving onto movement finishing. Obviously I asked for perlage, Geneva striped, angkage and whatever other ...age they had available. Even a frosted finish which I thought was fascinating

[KarlS]

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[KarlS]

.so at this stage we haven't really decided on the exact movement finush

[Demosthene]

The blue dial is amazing!
Much much prefer it to the silver.

[GB-man]

Damn Karl. Doing it right! Eager to see the final product. Love Kari's dial/hands and overall aesthetic.

Huge congrats

[KarlS]

Do what we have in summary is a platinum blue dial with guilloche. I await the CAD drawings just to make sure that the PR doesn't spoil the simplicity of the dial. The only drawback with the enamel dial is that he is not keen on moving his name from 6 o clock to the 12 o clock position as it will require printing on guilloche which is a mess. Sure I can convince to use an appliqué but let's see. It's not a train smash.

[bayerische]

And he is Finnish!

He makes some amazing watches.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by KarlS

If you expect everything to be made inhouse and by the master himself then move in, because it isn't!! Unlike RWS the cases are made externally and polished. They are milled and to have that type of equipment for small production runs just isn't economical.

Interesting read so far, but are you aware that Roger has a CNC machine, and his 10-12 cases each year, are made from it?

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Interesting read so far, but are you aware that Roger has a CNC machine, and his 10-12 cases each year, are made from it?

I wasn't and that is interesting as he spent so much time showing how you make the 3 bands of the case by hand. I couldn't get to the bottom of Kari and Urban Jurgensen, bit of shadow boxing...you read anything?

[superdog]

Wow.

This is what it is all about.

I enjoyed every post and picture. Thank you.

I too as a flipper could never do something like this. But damn, it garners respect from deep down in my being. Once again.....wow.

[520Matt]

Very cool. I will enjoy following along

[Jetkopite]

Awesome post and loving your journey to your new piece with Voutilainen.. I kinda feel part of it having flown you back at the end off this chapter.. Hahaha. Pleasure to meet you Karl :-)

[masterserg]

Fantastic! Will keep checking in. Thank you for sharing.

[Griswald]

Wonderful post. Brings a new meaning to bespoke...truly beautiful watches and you have excellent taste!

[KarlS]

So we have the CAD without the colors and guilloche. Now wondering if the PR is simply detracting from the simplicity of the original 3 hander. What do people think?

[texex91]

Originally Posted by KarlS

What do people think?

Too busy.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by KarlS

I wasn't and that is interesting as he spent so much time showing how you make the 3 bands of the case by hand. I couldn't get to the bottom of Kari and Urban Jurgensen, bit of shadow boxing...you read anything?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWtblU8-emY

http://www.europastar.com/magazine/h...alive-and.html
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...th=903388&rid= – he’s had a CNC machine for nearly 10 years nows.

I’ve a lot of time for the Urban Jurgensens, and being absolutely honest, feel you, and Arnaud, have leapt into your purchases, without exploring a number of cheaper and arguably, just as good alternatives.
UJ is one, Land & Heyne is another, Grieb & Benzinger a third, and possibly Moritz Grossmann as a fourth.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by KarlS

So we have the CAD without the colors and guilloche. Now wondering if the PR is simply detracting from the simplicity of the original 3 hander. What do people think?

Too flat – needs more contrasting elements, IMO.



Personally, I’d be having the fuller array of Roman Numerals, if Kari’s not able to make the missing ones (1, 2, 4, 5...etc) in the same Arabic style as shown.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Too flat – needs more contrasting elements, IMO.



Personally, I’d be having the fuller array of Roman Numerals, if Kari’s not able to make the missing ones (1, 2, 4, 5...etc) in the same Arabic style as shown.

Yes the contrasting colors and guilloche are not on the dial. I have looked at Lang & Heyne but not a fan of the lugs nor the size but think the brand is great. The Benu I looked at but in the end felt was sterile. UJ never responded to emails and the one I was interested in was Gronefeld.

[KarlS]

I think I also mentioned that the Voutilainen needs to move like in this picture

[martinr]

Great thread Karl. I would eliminate the PR, seems a little distracting.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by KarlS

So we have the CAD without the colors and guilloche. Now wondering if the PR is simply detracting from the simplicity of the original 3 hander. What do people think?

It's perfect IMHO. This is not meant to be a "boringly classic" dress watch: it has a lot of character and it has to show it (also IMHO, of course).

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by KarlS

So we have the CAD without the colors and guilloche. Now wondering if the PR is simply detracting from the simplicity of the original 3 hander. What do people think?

I really like the execution of the PR myself and it's such a useful complication on a manual wind watch. I would keep it for sure.

Also love the brand layout within the PR. Looks great.

[AK797]

Would be incredible to design a watch almost from scratch. Have fun, it will a chore at times and there will be delays, but hang in there, should be worth it.

I would take the intricacy of guilloche over the PR.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Yes the contrasting colors and guilloche are not on the dial. I have looked at Lang & Heyne but not a fan of the lugs nor the size but think the brand is great. The Benu I looked at but in the end felt was sterile. UJ never responded to emails and the one I was interested in was Gronefeld.

Ah, the triple lug design – L&H will remove the middle one if requested.
The likes of the Heinrich is 39.5mm, and has a retrograde date and a PR.

Love the Gronefeld 1941 Remontoire, especially in the WG with Salmon dial or the Black and Orange for a more casual look – but I probably still love the One Second more, even though they’ve dropped all the other case material/colour variants.

A real shame Urban Jurgensen didn’t get back in touch with you – wonder if your email was perhaps incorrectly flagged as spam. You should have made the effort to phone them, at least.

[aekdb]

This thread is amazing to see. I will be following to see the finished product!

[KarlS]

Actually the Heinrich was my favourite. I also like cathedral hands and yes they do offer to remove the third lug. Think it was EUR 69000 incl 19% VAT. I can remember which one I had liked which was a 41 or 44 that just put me off size wise. To be honest they were the first I contacted in May and were super efficient I.t.o pricing and general queries but I had to go to a Dresden to see a mock up.....however I would still consider them for a future watch. On UJ Abd even Sven Andersen, if it gets too complicated I just move on as you are generally spoilt for choice! As a side I think the UJ dials are made by KV dial factory.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ighlight=Heyne

[KarlS]

The nice thing of having a long lead time is that you get to spend time pondering on choices. Some of the pictures in my study that I was hoping would provide inspiration