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Old 24 January 2017, 03:26 AM   #481
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The only difference I see is inbetween the squares there is no design on the Offshore. And also the offshore squares are bigger which I never liked compared to the RO squares. I never thought that was because one is stamped and the other engraved.
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Old 24 January 2017, 03:38 AM   #482
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Stamped means a bit of textured paper with a gum backing.
The dial makers tear off one of the stamps, lick the back of it (which makes the gum sticky), then place it on the plain brass disc.
If any part of the stamp looks like it isn’t sticking too well, they give it a thump – to show it who’s boss.



Previously, AP used to hire Swiss gnomes, who’d come in during the night, with their little hammers and chisels, to make the raised pattern known as 'Grand Tapisserie'.
Naturally, this was more expensive due to the cost of contracting the gnomes, as well as taking longer to produce each one.
In order to ensure the ROOs didn’t double in price, they opted for the cheaper, and quicker, licking and stamping process.
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Old 24 January 2017, 03:41 AM   #483
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The only difference I see is inbetween the squares there is no design on the Offshore. And also the offshore squares are bigger which I never liked compared to the RO squares. I never thought that was because one is stamped and the other engraved.
Tough to see on edo's pic because it has a very narrow depth of field/focus, but the circular grain can be seen on top of the squares too and not just in between...again though you have to be looking very closely.
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Old 24 January 2017, 04:21 AM   #484
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The only difference I see is inbetween the squares there is no design on the Offshore. And also the offshore squares are bigger which I never liked compared to the RO squares. I never thought that was because one is stamped and the other engraved.
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Old 24 January 2017, 05:15 AM   #485
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Great comparison, engine turned dial is definitely more exquisite, I wouldn't mind seeing it on the ROO
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Here is two blue dials... the one is the Ro, and the other is stamped ROO... you can see clear differences...
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Old 24 January 2017, 08:45 AM   #486
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http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....of-tapisseries

On the link above you have great review of all AP tapisserie dials and techniques.
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Old 24 January 2017, 08:48 AM   #487
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Assuming AP uses Grade 5 Titanium (this is my experience from a JLC model that I own), Ti is 45% lighter than 304/316/904 stainless steel. This grade of Ti has a Vickers hardness of ~350 whereas the steels mentioned here are about ~150-160. So the Ti is more scratch resistant than steel but nowhere as good as ceramic. My JLC is full of scratches both on the bezel and the case (I've been pretty tough on it though).

BTW, I am very excited about the new 44mm ROO Ti and can't wait to see one in person.
Thank you for the information and feedback.
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Old 24 January 2017, 11:27 PM   #488
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Thank you for the information and feedback.
My pleasure.
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Old 26 January 2017, 01:59 AM   #489
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Thanks for the info

A bit of a shame to see that profit margins seem to overtake the (for me) importance of crafmanship.

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All ROO dials are now.



Scratchproof no, but harder than 316/904 SS.
Ceramic is lighter than Ti.
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Old 26 January 2017, 04:39 AM   #490
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Does anyone have an estimation for how long these new models usually take to hit AD shelves? I'm particularly interested in the new 15450 dials.
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Old 26 January 2017, 05:18 AM   #491
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Does anyone have an estimation for how long these new models usually take to hit AD shelves? I'm particularly interested in the new 15450 dials.
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Old 26 January 2017, 05:19 AM   #492
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Does anyone have an estimation for how long these new models usually take to hit AD shelves? I'm particularly interested in the new 15450 dials.
I was told boutiques will have them mid-end of March and then will trickle into ADs soon after.
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Old 26 January 2017, 05:33 AM   #493
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The engraved tapisserie dials are made using an old machine called a pantograph...you can see a video of how AP does it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0uW37FnCLM

As you can see from edo's pics, there is a difference in appearance (but it's much more noticeable in these macro pics). The engraved dials have that circular pattern and added texture.
For the love of horology please don't demean the use of rose engines!

They use a pantograph to follow the pattern along with a rose engine that actually removes the metal from the dial plate and creates the Clous de Paris pattern. Here's a good article on different types of tapisserie used by AP.

http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....of-tapisseries
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Old 26 January 2017, 08:04 AM   #494
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I was told boutiques will have them mid-end of March and then will trickle into ADs soon after.
Thanks... maybe in time for my wedding anniversary in April, maybe? Hmmmm
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Old 26 January 2017, 08:57 AM   #495
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Thanks... maybe in time for my wedding anniversary in April, maybe? Hmmmm


Do we have confirmation if 15450 blue will be "boutique only."
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Old 27 January 2017, 02:15 PM   #496
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No word yet on the blue dials.
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