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12 April 2014, 10:27 PM | #31 |
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12 April 2014, 10:35 PM | #32 | |
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And I start to be bothered with that thrusted seller status here. Other members are not less than you. EDIT : I refer to the OP, of course. Not to other thrusted sellers, while they behave and comply with their obligations. |
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12 April 2014, 11:17 PM | #33 | |
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I don't care whether it is allegedly difficult to identify an aftermarket crystal ... If the watch is being sold as an authentic Rolex, then that is the burden the seller bears, even if it means taking the entire watch apart. If the seller mistakenly tenders a watch with one or more aftermarket parts, he should pay to have those parts replaced with genuine, OEM parts. Period. End of story. No excuses accepted. This is why I urge caution when buying used, regardless of the seller's reputation. Here, that purportedly stellar reputation turned out to be about as valuable as Confederate currency. |
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12 April 2014, 11:32 PM | #34 |
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Wow... Talk about putting a foot in your mouth. You've gone from being a trusted seller, to trying to get someone banned for buying your counterfeit watch and wanting it corrected! Hopefully this gets resolved, ie the seller gives the $200 for the authentic crystal, or who knows how long the buying/selling aspect will be allowed around here...
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12 April 2014, 11:43 PM | #35 | |
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by disassembling it into its component parts. I might have serviced my watch at an independent watchmaker who then installed wrong parts without providing information about this. Where should the responsibility lie as much in the buyer that he examines it, he buys through to disassemble the watch into its component parts, I think. Now I'm talking in general, then it's another thing how sellers and buyers solve their disputes. This is the reason that my survivors will have to sell my watches. I would never bother with all this fuss about scratches here and there, seconds here and there and I would never even be able to guarantee that everything is perfectly correct with my watches. I guess there is a lot of watches floating around with wrong parts, today you can never be sure.
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13 April 2014, 12:02 AM | #36 |
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Sorry, Jocke ... I disagree. If one represents a piece to be authentic, then he'd best be certain that it is. And, if it turns out to be counterfeit, the counterfeit parts should be replaced by OEM parts without charge or a full refund should be provided. The burden is on the seller, not the buyer. Here, the buyer was quite reasonable in wanting only the aftermarket crystal replaced; however, the seller made an international case out of it and now we have all this. The seller's reputation has been, no doubt, harmed significantly by his own actions or omissions as the case may be ... all over a $200 crystal. Not worth it, IMHO. As my late father, may he rest in peace, used to say ... "when you buy used, you buy other people's problems." That is very true in this instance.
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13 April 2014, 12:07 AM | #37 |
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Pay the money for the crystal...end of story everyone's happy.
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How this case will be solved is the problem of those involved how they will be perceived in the future.
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13 April 2014, 01:29 AM | #41 | |
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13 April 2014, 02:19 AM | #45 | |
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13 April 2014, 02:35 AM | #46 |
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No, it applies to every seller. The only difference is that trusted sellers / dealers have a lot more to lose. If a seller tarnishes his reputation, he will lose many potential buyers. That can equate to tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of lost dollars over the years.
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Thinking about nowdays we do not even know if we get the original medicine from the pharmacy. So it's not easy to be sure, sometimes it's not what it looks like. And as I state before how the sellers solve things is another story.
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13 April 2014, 03:01 AM | #49 |
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If you're not 100% sure as to the authenticity, then don't advertise it as authentic.
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I submit that if the FS ad says something other than authentic 100% Rolex I doubt very many will still buy used and take the chance that some parts may not be OEM and are aftermarket replacement parts (crystal, dial, crown, mechanism, etc). |
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13 April 2014, 03:16 AM | #52 | |
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13 April 2014, 03:21 AM | #53 |
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You keep mentioning the cost of doing business. Jocke is asking about the hobbyist flippers that don't do it as a business. Would you still demand unlimited liability for aftermarket parts years after the sale? I'm merely agreeing that it's a tough issue.
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I have no beef in this whatsoever but has anybody proven the crystal to be a fake or counterfeit? There is a lot of emotions here as to somebody selling counterfeit parts on a watch and imho this is totally wrong and misleading. No they have not and i will tell you right here why they have not and cannot. Rolex did not make there own crystals in this time period and they are not marked as Rolex. So if 1 uses the word or term counterfeit they are wrong and i doubt that Rolex would write this on any Rolex letter head estimate. 2 non Rolex crystal term or wording would even be 100% correct as they did not make the crystal to begin with. So crystal gurus out the please tell us how on this specific crystal one can claim counterfeit or even aftermarket? Please produce a document from Rolex that says the crystal is counterfeit. If I bought a watch from somebody and I thought a part was fake etc i would think i would have to prove it to try and get something out of the seller. Im done here but would really like to see a document on how somebody came to the conclusion the crystal was counterfeit? Anybody?
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With this I agree and in all fairness I think Tony should provide the evidence from Rolex. |
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13 April 2014, 03:30 AM | #56 | |
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The best solution for those concerned about buying preowned is to buy new and forget about what is and isn't a genuine Rolex part. The Rolex "machine" is a marketing genius, either all Rolex or it is "counterfeit." It makes me wonder what is and what isn't genuine or real anymore. Besides my Rolex being possibly counterfeit, according to Rolex standards, I'm afraid to have my truck serviced with non-Ford parts for fear of it being called counterfeit if I replace the struts with Monroematics or a Sears "Diehard" battery. All I know is, from now on, I'm going to use Ford's oil, air filters, wiper blades, batteries, shocks, service tire recommendations etc on my F-150 if it needs anything replaced or serviced. Nothing counterfeit will do for me.
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To put this to rest will the OP post a document from Rolex on Rolex letterhead that says exactly what he wrote : (No, I was shocked because Rolex refused to repair it unless I would replace the COUNTERFEIT crystal on the watch first.) Tony Does the estimate say counterfeit crystal as you said it did? An unsolicited PM from a friend of yours to me said he has seen it and according to what he wrote me I don't see the word counterfeit ? My interest is in the crystal topic not the dealings of these 2 members. The Oysterquartz and the 1530 before it were the 1st Rolex watches that used sapphire crystals. They had many suppliers of crystals over the years. So what's real ,aftermarket , counterfeit and fake is what I want to know?
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