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Old 13 November 2018, 01:22 AM   #91
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I had starter issues, which drain the battery and leave the car locked in park ... dismantle of the centre consol is required to release the gear select so it could be taken to the dealership .... that blew my mind.

I had coil issues leading to misfires.

and finally, I had an issue with the E Parking brake ... that was the straw that broke the donkeys back for me ... it engaged while barreling down a motorway

Loved it when it was running well ... it could boogie on and hustle with the best of them, air suspension lowered it to the ground over 70mph, it could chew up winter roads and it was the lap of luxury ..... but it was a heart breaker when things went wrong and 60% hurt on my PX.

Then again .... we dont buy vehicles like this and expect free motoring
Which model were you driving? Just curious. I had a 2010 LR4 also, that I put 56K miles on before trading on the 14 RRS. It was pretty solid as well. I think you had a lemon! Then again, perhaps I was just lucky.
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Old 13 November 2018, 01:29 AM   #92
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The mistake with many of these lists is that Rolex's brand recognition in relation to being a luxury watch maker is unparalleled. They are simply in a league of their own.

Most people will not know about the Big Four (AP, PP, VC and AL&S) with reference to Haute Horlogerie. But people will probably know all the cars on that list.
However, I’m sure if I cared about cars as much as watches I would throw up some car manufacturers no one knows about for brands other than rolex. I am sure there is some car forum with the top car company being rolex and lower car companies being like seiko and tag.

Most likely like this

“Amazing top car company = rolex
Ferrari = tag
Mb = sekio”
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Old 13 November 2018, 01:29 AM   #93
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Old 13 November 2018, 01:35 AM   #94
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stopped reading this after

'Is Omega a BMW because it tries but can never get the same level as Rolex/MB.'


Like Mercedes is better than BMW



its just a matter of taste both are equal
just like Rolex and Omega are probably equal too
I think it could be argued that BMW and MB are on around the same level, as you say, it is a matter of taste. However, I don't think you can credibly argue that Omega and Rolex are on the same level.
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Old 13 November 2018, 01:46 AM   #95
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Old 13 November 2018, 01:50 AM   #96
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I guess I just don't see the comparison. I thoroughly enjoy driving my S550 and it is an amazing car. It is also a hugely depreciating asset that wears out after around 8 years or so. Rolex watches tend to not depreciate as much from what I can tell and I assume they last a long time. Cars, watches and other baubles do not make the person though.
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Old 13 November 2018, 01:58 AM   #97
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We have done a few of thes car/watch comparison and they never end with any consensus.
The closest we have ever got was the Porsche 911 to Rolex as its small incremental changes over decades and iconic look. 911 went water cooled , the Rolex went ceramic bezel but still look the same, etc...
Other than that being totally opinion based from individual perception, car brands are more heated than watch brands.
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Old 13 November 2018, 02:02 AM   #98
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A 1992 Rolex Submariner and Toyota Camary are both still running today even though they have a million miles on them
Fantastic quote lol
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Old 13 November 2018, 02:11 AM   #99
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Hard to compare and these threads usually get funny. I am sure many here have driven cars from many of the manufacturers discussed. When I think of MB, BMW, and even Audi I have driven all three (several models) are they are fairly comparable. Each has strengths and weaknesses. I put Porsche a little above all three of them. I chose an MB this time because I could option an all wheel drive convertible they way I wanted and the other 2 manufacturers I was considering I could not. For example BMW M cars are not AWD.

The big difference is depreciation (regardless of car company). For example, my lease will cost my roughly 40K over 3 years. That money is gone. Lit on fire. If I bought 40K worth of SS sport Rolex, in 3 years they would still be worth 80% of my initial investment. I wish I did not like cars...

I do agree with the OP in the sense that MB and Rolex are highly recognizable and considered by the masses as "luxury" products.
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Things might be different in Texas. In the UK, I think MB's offerings are rather thin, insubstantial and built down to a price. They don't have the depth of quality and engineering that they used to posses. They are rather chintzy now, and not as materially solid as an equivalent BMW model.

I'd align Rolex more with something like Bentley or Aston Martin. Some Mercs and BMWs possess impressive numbers, but for all their technological innovation and high outputs, they don't come off to me as half as sophisticated and achingly cool as a Sub or a GMT.

Maybe a car comparison isn't advisable? Most cars are effortlessly efficient way of losing large sums of money very quickly. Whereas most Rolex are not.
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Old 13 November 2018, 03:12 AM   #101
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Which model were you driving? Just curious. I had a 2010 LR4 also, that I put 56K miles on before trading on the 14 RRS. It was pretty solid as well. I think you had a lemon! Then again, perhaps I was just lucky.


Mine was a 2012 V8 The last of that model as I’m sure yours is the new shape if it’s 2014

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Oh yes Mystro.,,
One of my pets hates,,,,silly decals and fake exhaust that’s why I have a proper 5.5 Amg with a v8 that sounds like thunder,,,,if the car don’t have the engineers signature on the plaque in the engine bay then it’s NOT a Amg


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Old 13 November 2018, 03:20 AM   #103
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Rolex doesn’t include non operational parts on their watch as “design elements”. MB and their fake tailpipes or BMW pumping in a exhaust soundtrack on the audio system.
Quote relating to my post above it,,,
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Old 13 November 2018, 03:23 AM   #104
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I always thought that Rolex is comparable to Porsche.

I think I’ve read somewhere that the 911 is as recognizable as a submariner, and the design of either hasn’t changed much

Interesting thread, I’m excited to hear from others


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I used to think this too until Porsche started producing glorified minivans and stamped Porsche on the back. A once proud company....

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Old 13 November 2018, 03:42 AM   #105
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imo its very hard to merry up car companies with watch companies.

to me rolex closest car company would be porsche.
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Old 13 November 2018, 03:54 AM   #106
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I think performance & quality wise BMW is a far superior car to Mercedes.
Not sure about that...
My personal experience has been the exact opposite.
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Old 13 November 2018, 04:18 AM   #107
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I used to think this too until Porsche started producing glorified minivans and stamped Porsche on the back. A once proud company....

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But that "once proud company" would be bankrupt today if it weren't for those "glorified minivans". Just sayin!!!
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Old 13 November 2018, 04:23 AM   #108
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Oh yes Mystro.,,
One of my pets hates,,,,silly decals and fake exhaust that’s why I have a proper 5.5 Amg with a v8 that sounds like thunder,,,,if the car don’t have the engineers signature on the plaque in the engine bay then it’s NOT a Amg


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Uff, 5.5L V8 also have fake exhaust...
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Old 13 November 2018, 04:25 AM   #109
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Uff, 5.5L V8 also have fake exhaust...


Not mine lol


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I used to think this too until Porsche started producing glorified minivans and stamped Porsche on the back. A once proud company....

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Every company has to have a SUV. Rolls, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.. Porsche was just ahead of the game and that still doesn't change the unbroken 911 line is still and always the Hallmark of the brand. Who cares what entry level vehicles pays the bills as long as the history of the 911 is still unwavered in all its many forms. Even the entry Boxster and Cayman have a GTS line that is now far from entry level.
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Old 13 November 2018, 04:31 AM   #111
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To be fair, the car comparison threads come around every once in a while, and usually devolve into disagreements, barring the eventual consensus that car:watch analogies leave a lot to be desired. A number of the old-timers here roll their eyes when they see them. I'll just leave this to those who haven't become jaded yet.

That’s where I land.

But, for the record, OP’s reasoning about what car equates to which watch brand is neither compelling nor persuasive.
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Old 13 November 2018, 05:50 AM   #113
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seiko is toyota
Closest car analogy yet, even on down to Grand Seiko being Lexus. Not a perfect analogy, but the closest so far. Resale value being the deviation.
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The problem with comparing Rolex with Mercedes is the latter has become increasingly unreliable and as it turns out a bit of a money pit. Not the case with the Crown.

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I'm assuming for the same reasons listed by DP63?
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Old 13 November 2018, 06:39 AM   #116
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I would say the following.

Rolex = Mercedes Benz. Commonly known and luxury. Aspirational brand for many to own. Expensive but accessible for a relatively large number of people. The point about MB being used as everything from luxury limousine to taxi shows the versatility and also represents the cross section of Rolex pricing.

PP = RR. Top end luxury. Large degree of hand finishing. Timeless and classic. Broadly considered top of the game for ‘mainstream’ watches (to WIS) and cars.

RM = Pagani. Sports focused. Design heavy. Uncompromisingly unique.

VC/ ALS = Maybach. Strictly business. Super high end options available. Little known.

AP ROO = Lamborghini. Luxury sports specialists. Bold designs. Unconventional materials.

AP RO = Ferrari. Also with classic designs to represent the original RO. Luxury sports but not as brash as a Lambo.

Omega = Audi / BMW. Sturdy and solid but probably won’t set pulses racing unless you tier up to the top end specs.

G shock = Land Rover / Toyota SUV. Absolutely Indestructible.
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My 996 engine detonated so there is no way I’m comparing it to Porsche. Rolex is much more robust and reliable than Porsche. I own and will probably own more Rolex. I will never buy another Porsche.
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I would say the following.

Rolex = Mercedes Benz. Commonly known and luxury. Aspirational brand for many to own. Expensive but accessible for a relatively large number of people. The point about MB being used as everything from luxury limousine to taxi shows the versatility and also represents the cross section of Rolex pricing.

PP = RR. Top end luxury. Large degree of hand finishing. Timeless and classic. Broadly considered top of the game for ‘mainstream’ watches (to WIS) and cars.

RM = Pagani. Sports focused. Design heavy. Uncompromisingly unique.

VC/ ALS = Maybach. Strictly business. Super high end options available. Little known.

AP ROO = Lamborghini. Luxury sports specialists. Bold designs. Unconventional materials.

AP RO = Ferrari. Also with classic designs to represent the original RO. Luxury sports but not as brash as a Lambo.

Omega = Audi / BMW. Sturdy and solid but probably won’t set pulses racing unless you tier up to the top end specs.

G shock = Land Rover / Toyota SUV. Absolutely Indestructible.


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