Found 2 Rolex watches at auction, not sure if they are real - help?

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by swt

For what little it my be worth, to my eye, the degree of patination on the 16800 matte dial in the days before applied indies dial seems to be at odds with the patination of the pearl, considering that there's very limited wear or fading on the insert.

My opinion/observations are worth what you paid for same.

Thanks for your reply! As mentioned above I've looked at different examples of the 16800 ands some have a faded bezel insert and a similar pearl on the bezel, others have the same pearl but a similar bezel as the 16800 I found. I think I'm going to gamble on the 16800 :)

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Both look very strange

what do you think about it with the new pics?

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

Need better pics to be definitive


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what do you think of them with the new pics?

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by 77T

The Sub pic is so blurry that it raises concerns about the auction house.

It looks like a PCG case - but trying to figure out if the telltale signs of trouble are present on the dial is nearly impossible.
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what do you think of them with the new pics and info? (see page 1)

[77T]

I definitely agree the DJ’s Jubilee dial looks authentic and original.

On the Sub, even with the better pictures, the position of the hands covers some of my favorite recognition points. But there are enough points on the dial there - and on the bezel insert to be 90% comfortable its authentic.

Will the auction house guarantee these as authentic? In other words, full refund if RSC notes either are not - because you’re having to trust the insides are good.


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[freefly]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Editing my view on DATEJUST dial. In my opinion its reworked at best, and seems to have lost lumed dots

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

But that dial looks off to me, and could not find another example on Google with the minutes around the perimeter like that. For what it's worth.

Dial is fine. There were a couple variations.

[crowncollection]

They appear ok,need a movement shot to be 100% go for it


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[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by freefly

Dial is fine. There were a couple variations.

good to know, thanks! Do you know of any resources I could use with more info?

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by 77T

I definitely agree the DJ’s Jubilee dial looks authentic and original.

On the Sub, even with the better pictures, the position of the hands covers some of my favorite recognition points. But there are enough points on the dial there - and on the bezel insert to be 90% comfortable its authentic.

Will the auction house guarantee these as authentic? In other words, full refund if RSC notes either are not - because you’re having to trust the insides are good.


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Yes I think so - IF I'm able to buy them I will take them straight to an expert :)

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

They appear ok,need a movement shot to be 100% go for it


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Yeah that's not really possible but with the info I have now I think I'll go for it :)

[77T]

Originally Posted by Applebaum

Yes I think so - IF I'm able to buy them I will take them straight to an expert :)

I think we have helped as far as we can go with the info you’ve gained from the inspections. Good luck at the auction.

And I would ask for their written policy/guarantee on authenticity before bidding. Maybe they use a watchmaker that would come check the movements?


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[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Applebaum

what do you think about it with the new pics?

That photo hosting site is blocked at my office.

I hope you are getting a really really great price based on all the effort you are putting in.

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by 77T

I think we have helped as far as we can go with the info you’ve gained from the inspections. Good luck at the auction.

And I would ask for their written policy/guarantee on authenticity before bidding. Maybe they use a watchmaker that would come check the movements?


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definitely, thank you so much! I'll call them and ask, good point!

[Applebaum]

Originally Posted by beshannon

That photo hosting site is blocked at my office.

I hope you are getting a really really great price based on all the effort you are putting in.

ok thanks for trying to look at them ;) Will let you know if I was able to purchase them, Auction is this Wednesday.

[Gtecko]

are they able to give you anything or a window of opportunity so you can have a watch maker look at the movement ?

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Gtecko

are they able to give you anything or a window of opportunity so you can have a watch maker look at the movement ?

Did you read the thread?

[Gtecko]

Originally Posted by MonBK

Did you read the thread?

I guess I just got what the "open inspection" mean ... my bad

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Gtecko

I guess I just got what the "open inspection" mean ... my bad

[Vanmitchie]

Is this 16800 dial an mk2 or mk3?