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Old Expat Beast · 19 December 2013, 10:46 PM

Was looking at this 16750 with interest but looks like a Luminova service dial. Seller says its a rare Swiss Tritium, though surprisingly still glows. Opinions please?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=328837

powerfunk · 20 December 2013, 12:07 AM

To my eyes that looks like a lumimova service dial at first glance, but I'm curious what Springer has to say about these.

waspy1 · 20 December 2013, 12:21 AM

I've never heard of a Swiss only tritium dial of this age. Only late 50s, early 60s. I'd expect it is luminova.

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marcello pisani · 20 December 2013, 12:23 AM

with white gold surrounded indexes ????
aha aha aha !!

powerfunk · 20 December 2013, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by marcello pisani

with white gold surrounded indexes ????
aha aha aha !!

Exactly my thoughts. Thanks for chiming in Marcello; the seller seems to have sold a lot on here so I thought maybe this was some rare GMT variation I didn't know about.

But it has a "great patina," which apparently means "completely white hands and plots."

RobinW · 20 December 2013, 12:48 AM

Tritium half life is 12.3 years. 1984 makes the dial appr. 30 years old. I would be seriously surprised if there would be any glow if it was Tritium.

springer · 20 December 2013, 01:02 AM

The dial is not "rare or sought after." It is the same dial being used as a replacement dial by the Rolex Service Center. It is a luminova dial.

I'd bet the original dial was a "cracked" or "spider" dial therefore it was replaced.

jvo300 · 20 December 2013, 01:18 AM

From the post:

"Amazing and Excellent and very sought-after Swiss only Tritium : Dial, Great Patina, Matching markers and hands. No spotting or damage. Still have great luminescence"

How is this sought after and when does white count as patina? Seems like wild exaggeration at best.

Cc1966 · 20 December 2013, 02:51 AM

The pics and the description seem to be for different pieces!

frequentflyer · 20 December 2013, 03:42 AM

Here's a picture of mine (iPhone sorry its rubbish), it's about the same serial with the same clasp code. I'm sure it should have the "no date" dial but I'm no expert.

joseluu · 20 December 2013, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RobinW

Tritium half life is 12.3 years. 1984 makes the dial appr. 30 years old. I would be seriously surprised if there would be any glow if it was Tritium.

Well, according to your figures, more or less a quarter of the tritium should still be there. Actually, the one I own from approximately the same time still glows enough to be seen during the night (and it glows the same at the beggining or at the end of the night, not as luminova).

joseluu · 20 December 2013, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by waspy1

I've never heard of a Swiss only tritium dial of this age. Only late 50s, early 60s. I'd expect it is luminova.

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The other way around is relatively common though (SWISS - T<25 dial with luminova markers).

nicispapa · 20 December 2013, 05:10 AM

Ask for a lume shot!
The WG Index dial matches for this serial number.....but I would say it is a
SL Servicedial.

And if the dial was changed to SL also the hands are SL now

Just my thoughts

springer · 20 December 2013, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frequentflyer

Here's a picture of mine (iPhone sorry its rubbish), it's about the same serial with the same clasp code. I'm sure it should have the "no date" dial but I'm no expert.

85XXXXX serial number does not guarantee it is a dial absent the word "DATE."

Old Expat Beast · 20 December 2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by powerfunk

Exactly my thoughts. Thanks for chiming in Marcello; the seller seems to have sold a lot on here so I thought maybe this was some rare GMT variation I didn't know about.

But it has a "great patina," which apparently means "completely white hands and plots."

I thought the same, that maybe I was missing something. Would have been p'd off if I'd bought this by mistake. Thanks everyone.

Beef · 20 December 2013, 10:41 AM

I have to say that I'm really surprised by the mistake. I traded my Rootbeer to Alex for a 16710, with a "Swiss" Luminova dial a couple of years back.

He was a pleasure to deal with and seemed quite knowledgable.

southtexas · 20 December 2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

The dial is not "rare or sought after." It is the same dial being used as a replacement dial by the Rolex Service Center. It is a luminova dial.

I'd bet the original dial was a "cracked" or "spider" dial therefore it was replaced.

So in other words, RSC took some real value out of the watch and tossed it in the bin?

Old Expat Beast · 20 December 2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

So in other words, RSC took some real value out of the watch and tossed it in the bin?

Not really. Spider/crazed dials aren't worth anything. That's a myth that some dealers put about to try and shift what is basically damaged goods. Rolex service centres wont touch a watch that has one, as they are a liability with the potential to damage the movement with flaking gloss.

padi56 · 20 December 2013, 10:09 PM

Well around the change from Tritium to luminover around 1998 there were some dials marked Tritium but the lume was luminover.Swiss on the dials was only used for a short time again from around 1998 to 2000 so its possible Tritium could be on a Swiss dial but more likely to be Luminover .And the 16750 is not a real rare watch or really collectible just made in smaller numbers

19 December 2013, 10:46 PM	#1
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Hong Kong Watch: SEIKO Posts: 28,396	'Swiss' Tritium dial? Was looking at this 16750 with interest but looks like a Luminova service dial. Seller says its a rare Swiss Tritium, though surprisingly still glows. Opinions please? https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=328837 __________________ _______________________

20 December 2013, 12:23 AM	#4
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springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,212	The dial is not "rare or sought after." It is the same dial being used as a replacement dial by the Rolex Service Center. It is a luminova dial. I'd bet the original dial was a "cracked" or "spider" dial therefore it was replaced. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

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Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	The pics and the description seem to be for different pieces! __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

20 December 2013, 05:10 AM	#13
nicispapa "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Stefan Location: germany Watch: 002 Pre A Dial Posts: 50	Ask for a lume shot! The WG Index dial matches for this serial number.....but I would say it is a SL Servicedial. And if the dial was changed to SL also the hands are SL now Just my thoughts __________________ God made me funky and pls ......burn after reading

20 December 2013, 12:07 AM	#2
powerfunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Rob Location: Boston, MA Watch: 1530 Posts: 3,785	To my eyes that looks like a lumimova service dial at first glance, but I'm curious what Springer has to say about these.

20 December 2013, 12:21 AM	#3
waspy1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Home! Posts: 1,259	I've never heard of a Swiss only tritium dial of this age. Only late 50s, early 60s. I'd expect it is luminova. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

20 December 2013, 12:48 AM	#6
RobinW "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PA or Sweden Posts: 8	Tritium half life is 12.3 years. 1984 makes the dial appr. 30 years old. I would be seriously surprised if there would be any glow if it was Tritium.

20 December 2013, 01:18 AM	#8
jvo300 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 1,897	From the post: "Amazing and Excellent and very sought-after Swiss only Tritium : Dial, Great Patina, Matching markers and hands. No spotting or damage. Still have great luminescence" How is this sought after and when does white count as patina? Seems like wild exaggeration at best.

20 December 2013, 10:41 AM	#16
Beef "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,824	I have to say that I'm really surprised by the mistake. I traded my Rootbeer to Alex for a 16710, with a "Swiss" Luminova dial a couple of years back. He was a pleasure to deal with and seemed quite knowledgable. __________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." "So you have enemies. Good. You must have stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill

20 December 2013, 10:09 PM	#19
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,332	Well around the change from Tritium to luminover around 1998 there were some dials marked Tritium but the lume was luminover.Swiss on the dials was only used for a short time again from around 1998 to 2000 so its possible Tritium could be on a Swiss dial but more likely to be Luminover .And the 16750 is not a real rare watch or really collectible just made in smaller numbers __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

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