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Old 5 January 2010, 05:16 AM   #91
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Old 5 January 2010, 05:31 AM   #92
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I couldn't be happier for you. I know I wouldn't have slept until the watch was successfully returned.
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Old 5 January 2010, 05:32 AM   #93
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Great news, Pav. Nice to hear a watch dealer that stands behind their sale.
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Old 5 January 2010, 06:27 AM   #94
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Fantastic news! I am glad the dealer did what was right! Sorry I got a little steamed in my last post, but it is upsetting to know that someone who is less informed is going to end up with this piece. What is worse, is now the dealer knows what he has.
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Old 5 January 2010, 07:00 AM   #95
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I couldn't be happier for you. I know I wouldn't have slept until the watch was successfully returned.
I am breathing easier today..... We need a 'wiping sweat off forehead' icon here.

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Great news, Pav. Nice to hear a watch dealer that stands behind their sale.
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Thanks Dan.... it's all about buying the seller first and then the watch. I did not ask the seller for reference directly but asked some collectors who dealt with him about their experiences. Overall, good responses. If I bought it off eBay from some unknown seller abroad I would be screwed.

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Fantastic news! I am glad the dealer did what was right! Sorry I got a little steamed in my last post, but it is upsetting to know that someone who is less informed is going to end up with this piece. What is worse, is now the dealer knows what he has.
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No worries Scott. This is the way I look at it.... I am into vintage collecting watches for their beauty, mechanical engineering, and history. Some people only admire a watch for its outward appearance and could care less if its real Rolex or not. This beautiful piece is for them. Like Steve M said... it's a rare piece of art. And remember, to date nothing is proven either way (though I am 100% convinced it is not Rolex).
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Old 5 January 2010, 08:14 AM   #96
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Old 5 January 2010, 09:21 AM   #97
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Old 5 January 2010, 09:30 AM   #98
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Quote - "No worries Scott. This is the way I look at it.... I am into vintage collecting watches for their beauty, mechanical engineering, and history. Some people only admire a watch for its outward appearance and could care less if its real Rolex or not. This beautiful piece is for them. Like Steve M said... it's a rare piece of art. And remember, to date nothing is proven either way (though I am 100% convinced it is not Rolex). "



It is a very good looking dial. As it has been said by someone else I am sure it will end up in someone's collection.

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Old 5 January 2010, 09:54 AM   #99
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Old 5 January 2010, 12:19 PM   #100
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I am breathing easier today..... We need a 'wiping sweat off forehead' icon here.



Thanks Dan.... it's all about buying the seller first and then the watch. I did not ask the seller for reference directly but asked some collectors who dealt with him about their experiences. Overall, good responses. If I bought it off eBay from some unknown seller abroad I would be screwed.



No worries Scott. This is the way I look at it.... I am into vintage collecting watches for their beauty, mechanical engineering, and history. Some people only admire a watch for its outward appearance and could care less if its real Rolex or not. This beautiful piece is for them. Like Steve M said... it's a rare piece of art. And remember, to date nothing is proven either way (though I am 100% convinced it is not Rolex).

Great news! Personally I would not buy one.

If they were OK why has not ONE person been able to verify a Texas dial stating or proving he bought it new that way? Does not make sense to me.

There are way too many questions on that dial IMHO.

Sure the watch will sell and possibly for a lot of money. But I have noticed many big collectors now stay away from these dialed watches.

I just would not want a watch I have to explain.

Good hunting for the next one and good luck. Maverick
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Old 5 January 2010, 12:23 PM   #101
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Pav,

Very happy you were able to get satisfaction in your deal. The shame of it is someone else might find themselves in the same position you were in. I can't wait to see what you get to make up for this transaction.
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Old 5 January 2010, 01:04 PM   #102
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Glad it all worked out for you Pav
Thank you Paulie.....

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Great news! Personally I would not buy one.

If they were OK why has not ONE person been able to verify a Texas dial stating or proving he bought it new that way? Does not make sense to me.

There are way too many questions on that dial IMHO.

Sure the watch will sell and possibly for a lot of money. But I have noticed many big collectors now stay away from these dialed watches.

I just would not want a watch I have to explain.

Good hunting for the next one and good luck. Maverick
I think the future for these dials is not good. But there are still big time collectors who buy and sell these. One recently sold for >70K! in September.

I too do not want a mult-10k watch that I need to explain. A watch should speak for itself.

Thanks for your input Maverick. This was a learning experience for me.

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Very happy you were able to get satisfaction in your deal. The shame of it is someone else might find themselves in the same position you were in. I can't wait to see what you get to make up for this transaction.
This watch was meant to be my grail of 2010..... so the 'grail' spot is still open. Any suggestions of what to get???
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Old 5 January 2010, 01:13 PM   #103
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Old 5 January 2010, 02:29 PM   #104
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That is great news.

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Glad it worked out. Now, what are you lookin' to get NEXT!
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Old 5 January 2010, 03:01 PM   #105
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Pav: I'm curious, if you can tell us without violating any 'deals' you might have made, what did the dealer tell you about that dial? did he maintain it is a rolex dial or not?
did he say why he did not disclose to you? I am not asking for his/its name, address, etc.
just very interested in his/her response to your request to return and obtain a refund.

Your next watch should be a vintage Patek Phillipe, btw.
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Old 5 January 2010, 03:15 PM   #106
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Glad it worked out. Now, what are you lookin' to get NEXT!
I don't know.... any suggestions?

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Pav: I'm curious, if you can tell us without violating any 'deals' you might have made, what did the dealer tell you about that dial? did he maintain it is a rolex dial or not?
did he say why he did not disclose to you? I am not asking for his/its name, address, etc.
just very interested in his/her response to your request to return and obtain a refund.

Your next watch should be a vintage Patek Phillipe, btw.
Dan,

I called the seller this weekend when it became clear it was a 'Texas' dial to make an appointment to come today. When I arrived today he was very pleasant and I asked to speak in private (in case a problem arose.... ).

I explained to him that I was not there to authenticate the dial or to really even discuss whether it was authentic or not. I told him that I posted this watch on VRF for the vintage Rolex experts to evaluate and the unanimous voice was . And now I wanted a 'no questions asked' refund. His response was ok to the refund and that he will have his watchmaker take the dial off to be examined closely. What he does with it now is up to him. I am out of the picture.

Now what to get next .... vintage PP .... come on Dan this is a Rolex forum for G-d's sake.
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Old 5 January 2010, 04:50 PM   #107
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Pav: I'm curious, if you can tell us without violating any 'deals' you might have made, what did the dealer tell you about that dial? did he maintain it is a rolex dial or not?
did he say why he did not disclose to you? I am not asking for his/its name, address, etc.
just very interested in his/her response to your request to return and obtain a refund.

Your next watch should be a vintage Patek Phillipe, btw.
Dan,go ahead and ask him what he paid..you know you want to...lol
(FREUDIAN SLIP..LOL)

and Orchi..its not for you to buy brother..its just the truth..many a "knowledgeable" know it all has gotten egg on his face by standing unwaveringly in one position..
wasnt it Sun Tsu who said,
Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.
well I couldnt have stated it any better..and it does not a wise man make that he who can look at the sun and say it is bright,or hear a thundercrack and declair it loud..these truths are self evident!
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Old 5 January 2010, 04:57 PM   #108
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Dan,go ahead and ask him what he paid..you know you want to...lol
(FREUDIAN SLIP..LOL)

and Orchi..its not for you to buy brother..its just the truth..many a "knowledgeable" know it all has gotten egg on his face by standing unwaveringly in one position..
wasnt it Sun Tsu who said,
Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.
well I couldnt have stated it any better..and it does not a wise man make that he who can look at the sun and say it is bright,or hear a thundercrack and declair it loud..these truths are self evident!

And the answer is .....
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A LOT!!! (I am laughing now... I wasn't laughing this past weekend. )
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Old 5 January 2010, 08:20 PM   #109
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Pav: I bet you had a pretty miserable weekend at that! I'm glad it's all worked out.
But Steve(Mulholland) what da ......? does Sun Tzu have to do with Pav's ex-rolex or rolex with a folex dial, or whateva whateva. all's well that ends well?

BTW, Pav, what DID you pay for that PN?
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Old 9 January 2010, 03:43 AM   #110
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Pav, I have been reading this thread with great interest and am happy this worked out for you. Hopefully the next purchase will have less doubt and drama attached.

Good luck!!!

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Old 9 January 2010, 08:16 AM   #111
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Pav, I have been reading this thread with great interest and am happy this worked out for you. Hopefully the next purchase will have less doubt and drama attached.

Good luck!!!

Amen!!! I am just happy to NOT have this watch in my collection.

Thank you Gary.
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Old 9 January 2010, 08:29 AM   #112
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So Pav it must feel good to have that $$$ back in your account

I'm glad it worked out for you
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Old 9 January 2010, 08:47 AM   #113
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What a stunner!!
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Old 9 January 2010, 08:59 AM   #114
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First point is that it just looked too new. Come on a 40 year old watch in NOS condition. Buying these watches takes a LOT of research and discussions with collectors.

Second point as discussed on VRF the dial has issues and quite a few which make it wrong.

The John Mayer Dial is a completely different discussion and had no bearing on the the Rolex Cosmograph pump pusher dials.

Forth point yes the Paul Newman dials were shown in Rolex Brochures but only the 6239 and 6241.


Here my is my 43 year 6241 with all its imperfections.












The only relevant point actually is that you love this watch and you bought it for the right reason (these are not investments or to show off).
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Old 9 January 2010, 09:06 AM   #115
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Wow that is a real stunner.. And a grail for sure
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Old 9 January 2010, 10:29 AM   #116
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So Pav, How much did you spend on...............

Seriously though, I think that I would be happy for the rest of my life if I had your 6263 Daytona. You have a terrific collection. Good luck on finding your next grail.
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Old 9 January 2010, 11:37 AM   #117
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And the answer is .....
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A LOT!!! (I am laughing now... I wasn't laughing this past weekend. )

Can you give us a "Ball Park" figure??? I'm thinking 70ish....
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Old 9 January 2010, 01:44 PM   #118
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First point is that it just looked too new. Come on a 40 year old watch in NOS condition. Buying these watches takes a LOT of research and discussions with collectors.

Second point as discussed on VRF the dial has issues and quite a few which make it wrong.

The John Mayer Dial is a completely different discussion and had no bearing on the the Rolex Cosmograph pump pusher dials.

Forth point yes the Paul Newman dials were shown in Rolex Brochures but only the 6239 and 6241.


Here my is my 43 year 6241 with all its imperfections.












The only relevant point actually is that you love this watch and you bought it for the right reason (these are not investments or to show off).
Wonderful PN... and I could not agree with you more....

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So Pav, How much did you spend on...............

Seriously though, I think that I would be happy for the rest of my life if I had your 6263 Daytona. You have a terrific collection. Good luck on finding your next grail.
Thank you Mike. The 6263 is an iconic reference that I will cherish forever.

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Can you give us a "Ball Park" figure??? I'm thinking 70ish....
Ball park figure..... more than your double red.
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The 6263 is an iconic reference that I will cherish forever.



Pav,

On the 6263 I couldn't agree with you more. It is this watch that made me fall in love with all the Daytonas. It also set me on a long journey to discover the history of this wonderful chronograph and what makes it such an icon.





Importantly I still learning everyday which makes vintage Rolex soo much more interesting than just buying an expensive new watch.

All the best.
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Quote: "Ball park figure..... more than your double red."

Well, I'm glad to see you got your money back and all is well. Yeah, those PN Daytona's are expensive. I really liked the watch too. I just wish we could find out from Rolex if they produced it and get to the bottom of this.....once and for all.
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