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Old 21 January 2016, 02:37 PM   #31
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This was an interesting read...
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Old 21 January 2016, 03:59 PM   #32
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The plot thickens.....
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Old 21 January 2016, 04:03 PM   #33
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This thread has kept me on the edge of my seat; it's almost as good as Making a Murderer.
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Old 21 January 2016, 06:23 PM   #34
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Luke Rottman here. I would like to address this issue with a few points. Robert Maron NEVER sold you [Jim] anything, ever. And Robert was never part of our deal nor did he ever own this watch! I sold you this 6202 off of MY wrist over seven months ago. I NEVER made any "guarantee" concerning the dial whatsoever. If I did, I would know. Not to mention, if this dial is refinished, and I guaranteed it was original, I would've reversed the transaction long ago. I NEVER agreed to buy back this watch if you were "unhappy." And you took over seven months to realize you were "unhappy"? That's a first!!! I was kind enough to offer you trades on the 6202, yet you didn't take a liking to any watches in my inventory. Okay. Then I was willing to issue you a full refund! However, you weren't disposed towards sending me the watch. I have tried my best to resolve this matter favorably (for you!), and you're out here on the forum badmouthing Robert Maron, a reputable dealer who has had no involvement in our deal, and me...when I was just trying to help!
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Old 22 January 2016, 01:00 AM   #35
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Entire thread had a higher than expected level of fishiness
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Old 22 January 2016, 10:48 AM   #36
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I'm confused, you bought the watch from Luke Rottman but Rob Maron issued you a refund?


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I'm sure many of us are waiting for follow-up on this, and so the thread will remain open until that happens.
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Old 22 January 2016, 10:50 AM   #37
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Old 22 January 2016, 11:34 AM   #38
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Weird thread. Like others, I have waited for the next chapter. Although the purists will scream, I want to go on record to say refinished dial or not... cool, good looking watch.

I think some of the best mid 50's examples show up here. Rarely will there be an "untouched" dial. During this time, I feel many original dials were destroyed by radium burns. Sixty years later, and yes all original are exciting to see, I still get excited by every example.
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Old 24 January 2016, 05:11 AM   #39
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Hi...

Please do not leave this thread open. There will be no follow up. I have issued a refund and by doing so Jim has agreed to post a request to remove the thread (which has done on the first page). Take down the thread ASAP. Thanks.
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Old 24 January 2016, 06:33 AM   #40
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Please do not leave this thread open. There will be no follow up. I have issued a refund and by doing so Jim has agreed to post a request to remove the thread (which has done on the first page). Take down the thread ASAP. Thanks.
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Old 24 January 2016, 06:47 AM   #41
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Well hopefully we're find out?!?
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Old 24 January 2016, 08:15 AM   #42
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I'm glad all worked out for the OP but I to am a little confused.
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Old 24 January 2016, 08:45 AM   #43
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Threads are not taken down just because you say so.
Perhaps not but easy to see Mr Rottman's position here. He is a real person using his real name with a real reputation to protect. The other party, who was refunded, is unknown with just 4 forum posts operating under a forum name or "handle" and can now just disappear into the ether if he likes. I think that Mr Rottman's request is reasonable. I'm not taking sides, I just see Mr Rottman's position. Btw I do not know either party.
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Old 24 January 2016, 09:01 AM   #44
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Thank you. Please understand, all.
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Old 24 January 2016, 09:07 AM   #45
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Thank you. Please understand, all.
People are trying to understand why Robert Maron refunded the OP, because you said: "Robert Maron NEVER sold you [Jim] anything, ever. And Robert was never part of our deal nor did he ever own this watch".
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Old 24 January 2016, 09:18 AM   #46
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Making a Murderer sequel lol
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Old 24 January 2016, 07:19 PM   #47
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Perhaps not but easy to see Mr Rottman's position here. He is a real person using his real name with a real reputation to protect. The other party, who was refunded, is unknown with just 4 forum posts operating under a forum name or "handle" and can now just disappear into the ether if he likes. I think that Mr Rottman's request is reasonable. I'm not taking sides, I just see Mr Rottman's position. Btw I do not know either party.
If I issued a phony appraisal like this and got caught red handed I would also refund the buyer immediately.
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Old 24 January 2016, 11:22 PM   #48
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And where does this appraisal com from?
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Old 25 January 2016, 12:13 AM   #49
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And where does this appraisal com from?
It came from a potential buyer who laughed when he saw it and thought it was printed by a Moron!
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Old 25 January 2016, 12:23 AM   #50
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I was just looking up who Mr. Rottman is, and found his website. Very impressive. It's called TheWatchAdviser and was started by him a couple years ago when he was just 14 years-old Lot of nice watches.
And it appears he did get the watch back (nice breakfast! I really must figure a way to fly first class one of these days!)

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Old 25 January 2016, 07:15 AM   #51
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Bah, it must be me that I can't understand English so well but this thread is more confusing every day.

C appraises a watch owned by B
A buys the watch from B

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A discovers that the watch that C appraised was not as described and asks for a refund
C refunds A
B gets his watch back

So A is even par, C bogeyed and B scored a birdie it seems to me. No?
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Old 25 January 2016, 08:42 AM   #52
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Rolex 6202 - is the dial refinished?

That's how it seems to me also.

Edit: and Luke's website is very impressive; wish I'd gotten into vintage watches at his age!


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Old 25 January 2016, 05:50 PM   #53
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Thank you guys for the kind comments about my website! I try my best!!!! :-)))
Correct, I got the watch back and refunded last week.

Now back to what I was saying...

1. This is a legitimate appraisal. Jim asked for an appraisal from an established source. I had recommended Maron.com. 2. The refund was out of my pocket. 3. This issue has been dealt with. I would now REALLY appreciate it if you could remove this thread as requested [and agreed upon by Jim]. I have a reputation to maintain and I'm not out to burn my customers--only to share my passion (watches) with others.. I may be 16, but watch dealing is my full time job, it's my livelihood. This is how I plan to put myself through college amongst other things. And this is what I'm good at.

And please, enough with the questions concerning the appraisal/refund/etc. I hate to be rude, but why so inquisitive?! This public dispute Jim and I had really shouldn't be a source of entertainment for some members here on the forum. Not story-time, guys! Thank you.

On a separate note, MonBK--How dare you accuse me of issuing a phony appraisal! Your remark is absolute BS and it is beyond impertinent, to say the least.
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Old 25 January 2016, 06:00 PM   #54
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Old 25 January 2016, 06:42 PM   #55
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Mr lukerottman Look at the bright side I just viewed your website as I'm sure many others did and bookmarked it hope you have a good day


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Thank you guys for the kind comments about my website! I try my best!!!! :-)))
Correct, I got the watch back and refunded last week.

Now back to what I was saying...

1. This is a legitimate appraisal. Jim asked for an appraisal from an established source. I had recommended Maron.com. 2. The refund was out of my pocket. 3. This issue has been dealt with. I would now REALLY appreciate it if you could remove this thread as requested [and agreed upon by Jim]. I have a reputation to maintain and I'm not out to burn my customers--only to share my passion (watches) with others.. I may be 16, but watch dealing is my full time job, it's my livelihood. This is how I plan to put myself through college amongst other things. And this is what I'm good at.

And please, enough with the questions concerning the appraisal/refund/etc. I hate to be rude, but why so inquisitive?! This public dispute Jim and I had really shouldn't be a source of entertainment for some members here on the forum. Not story-time, guys! Thank you.

On a separate note, MonBK--How dare you accuse me of issuing a phony appraisal! Your remark is absolute BS and it is beyond impertinent, to say the least.
Hold your horses little Grasshopper.

Where exactly did you see that I accused YOU of ISSUING the appraisal?

It was sent to me buy a potential buyer (who just like me) laughed when he saw it.

When an appraisal says 100% original and the watch clearly has an aftermarket/refinished dial I can't help but call it a phony appraisal.
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Now back to what I was saying...
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2. The refund was out of my pocket.
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All. I received the refund from Rob Maron today in full. I would like to commend Rob for taking charge of the incident and effectively resolving the issue in an appropriate manner.
So you (lukerottman) are Robert Maron?

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And please, enough with the questions concerning the appraisal/refund/etc. I hate to be rude, but why so inquisitive?!
Sorry but I suspect that many of us would like to understand your relationship with Mr. Maron a little better.
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Old 25 January 2016, 08:08 PM   #58
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I received the refund from Rob Maron today in full. I would like to commend Rob for taking charge of the incident and effectively resolving the issue in an appropriate manner.
Others have suggested that this appeared inconsistent with the earlier statement that :

"Robert Maron NEVER sold you [Jim] anything, ever. And Robert was never part of our deal nor did he ever own this watch!"

Have I missed the clarification on this point?

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Old 25 January 2016, 09:26 PM   #60
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Mr lukerottman Look at the bright side I just viewed your website as I'm sure many others did and bookmarked....
Yes, I looked at the site and found this prominent article :

http://www.thewatchadviser.com/newsa...-on-the-matter

At 16 it is quite remarkable how much insight into the trade and what a balanced view the author presents.

Didn't bookmark it.

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