Warranty Card Authenticity Check

[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

I for one am very happy the OP posted this thread. Very helpful information.
I also disagree with the concept of keeping this kind of information secret so as not to tip off the Fakers. By keeping it secret from Fakers you are keeping it secret from nonexpert Forum members who come here in search of this kind of knowledge.

The best defense against Fakers is knowledge. Not knowing what to look for is the Fakers best friend. That's how we get duped. If they feel knowledge of certain details is little known among us buyers then there's no need to incorporate it into their forgeries. Even if they don't know about such security measures it's of no use if we don't know either. Two ignorances don't make a safer buying environment. The best thing is for Rolex like the US Treasury incorporates the highest security tech known to man and makes us aware of it. If it's sophisticated enough the Fakers/Forgers may find it too expensive or troublesome to obtain the technology to replicate those measures.

Yes it's always better to buy the seller but it's also good to know what you're doing. For myself the more knowledge I have the better off I feel. Thanks to all here who provide the educational threads to those of us lacking but wanting such knowledge.

The scammers today are too sophisticated to think that keeping something secret is really keeping something from them that they don't already know. We already saw videos of how the new Daytonas are being cloned inside and out and that it takes an informed expert eye to spot the tells. If the video did not point out the tells what good is the information that the Daytonas are being cloned almost perfectly. At least armed with the tells you have a fighting chance to avoid being duped.

Even honest watch sellers can be duped and resell a fake unknowingly, my motto is don't trust anybody, trust your own eyes first. And the only way you can do that is by learning as much as you can about the watch you are interested in. That only happens when the experts on the forum unselfishly share their expertise that I can tell you without a doubt takes many many hours and years to obtain. That is why I became a Pledge member right away, one bit of information learned is worth thousands of times the Pledge membership dues. Not to mention the innumerable amount of hours it would take to learn everything on my own.

Sorry for the long rant.

Appreciate your comments thanks


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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by miniman_78

It does have a hologram.

It consist the Tudor shield logos instead of Rolex.

Can you post a pic?

My Tudor Heritage Chrono card doesn’t have a hologram - and before you ask, yes I bought it brand new from a Tudor AD so is 10000% genuine


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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Anamelistic

Thanks for the post!! The more info, the better off we all are. Its also refreshing to see a post of value other than FSOT or something like “Dick size vs wrist size, LETS SEE EM”

Hahaha! Made me smile that one


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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Oldfellow

Thanks for the valuable info Max.

No probs


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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by RolexNorth

Yeah, that looks neat and all, but I'd still have a watchmaker crack the watch open and confirm as well as make sure it's not stolen.

Yes 100% agree.

Always have the watch checked as well, this is just another tool in our armour against getting ripped off.




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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Overwound

Great information, thanks! I'm aware of the measures taken on the watches themselves but the warranty card features are new to me.

tbh I’m not so sure there are actually any security measures on the watches themselves are there???


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[miniman_78]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Can you post a pic?

My Tudor Heritage Chrono card doesn’t have a hologram - and before you ask, yes I bought it brand new from a Tudor AD so is 10000% genuine


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Barely vissible as I need new batteries but it's there

[fooey]

very helpful, thankyou

[danyvw]

Originally Posted by miniman_78

Barely vissible as I need new batteries but it's there

Yes, I can see many Tudor shields

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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by miniman_78

Barely vissible as I need new batteries but it's there

Damn!

I guess I wasn’t looking hard enough last time!

Yes I see them now, man, are those little buggers hard to see & even harder to photograph but thanks for pointing that out









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[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Rolexman17

Awesome post! Thank you for helping insure what we purchase is legitimate.

Curious if there is anything special with a Tudor warranty card and if so could you do the same on that warranty card to help everyone. Thanks

Pics of the lines made of Tudor text






And the text on the card is done in the same font as the Rolex cards





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[russ86]

Thanks for sharing , I will check mine today lol

[Dave1863]

Originally Posted by Doood

Thanks for sharing.

I just had to crawl under the bed to check my cards even though purchased from AD.

Same

[Rrpdc]

Originally Posted by Dybala

Thanks for sharing.

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by 77T

Not true - this material has been known by all replica makers for more than 3 years. Those who wanted to implement some of the features in their fake cards did so years ago.

Keeping such matters secret only helps those fakers pull the wool over uninformed buyers. OP is helping keep new members from falling prey to this issue.



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Pull the wool over uninformed buyers? Who has more to gain or more to lose? The typical buyer who buys from an AD has nothing to worry about. Rolex keeps a tight check on their supply to protect the brand and it's customers. It's the very person you are claiming to help that winds up being bitten; the buyer that buys from the unknown seller that gets duped. And the people who have the most to gain from posts like this are the people who manufacture these high end counterfeits.

We are all entitled to our opinions, and I'd be willing to bet most of the members here, especially the older, experienced members, are not those buyers of Ebay, Craigs list, or unknown sources. Posting anti-counterfeiting measures on a public forum runs counter to the brand that tries to keep one step ahead of those very counterfeiters. As long as buyers buy from a reputable source like an AD or trusted grey, they shouldn't have to worry about the wool being pulled over their eyes.

I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with the majority of opinion here.

[77T]

Originally Posted by cajunron

Pull the wool over uninformed buyers? Who has more to gain or more to lose? The typical buyer who buys from an AD has nothing to worry about. Rolex keeps a tight check on their supply to protect the brand and it's customers. It's the very person you are claiming to help that winds up being bitten; the buyer that buys from the unknown seller that gets duped. And the people who have the most to gain from posts like this are the people who manufacture these high end counterfeits.



We are all entitled to our opinions, and I'd be willing to bet most of the members here, especially the older, experienced members, are not those buyers of Ebay, Craigs list, or unknown sources. Posting anti-counterfeiting measures on a public forum runs counter to the brand that tries to keep one step ahead of those very counterfeiters. As long as buyers buy from a reputable source like an AD or trusted grey, they shouldn't have to worry about the wool being pulled over their eyes.



I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with the majority of opinion here.

I agree that we disagree

Can you imagine an economy that kept its currency’s anti-forgery measures secret? Nobody would know a fake note from a real one.


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[cajunron]

I do respect your opinion, Paul. ^ Pros and cons, eh?


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[watchfreak2003]

Excellent post. Thanks for sharing

[Overwound]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

tbh I’m not so sure there are actually any security measures on the watches themselves are there???


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What I meant by security measures is the etched crown in the crystal and the laser inscribed rehaut. These were both introduced to help show they're genuine parts. Both features are now faked but tend not to look as good. The rehaut engravings on fakes is often not crisp or even. I suppose there are exceptions but I don't follow that stuff. As for the crystal the etching is faked but almost never the correct size. They are larger and more easily seen with the naked eye compared to the real ones.

Also, as Jocke has shown, under great magnification the crown design is actually comprised of tiny stars all at different angles.

Here's a post he made: https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=94

An image (courtesy of Jocke) for those not wanting to follow the link.

[Fly2Eat]

Great post! Thanks for the information. I'm impressed with the amount of normally unseen details that Rolex puts into the mundane. The primary benefit is for Rolex and their ADs, but it's excellent additional information for second hand purchases.

As others have said, of course the bandits manufacturing fakes already know this information. Since most consumers doesn't know of these security measures, the thieves haven't had to raise their game.

[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Overwound

What I meant by security measures is the etched crown in the crystal and the laser inscribed rehaut. These were both introduced to help show they're genuine parts. Both features are now faked but tend not to look as good. The rehaut engravings on fakes is often not crisp or even. I suppose there are exceptions but I don't follow that stuff. As for the crystal the etching is faked but almost never the correct size. They are larger and more easily seen with the naked eye compared to the real ones.



Also, as Jocke has shown, under great magnification the crown design is actually comprised of tiny stars all at different angles.



Here's a post he made: https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=94



An image (courtesy of Jocke) for those not wanting to follow the link.

Cheers


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[Oldfellow]

Originally Posted by kohe321

Checked the card for my Explorer 16570 from 2012, and it has the hologram that pops under UV light as well as the other details listed in the first post. Perhaps someone can chime in with information from an earlier card.

I have a 14060M from 2007 (late Z Serial), and it has the hologram under UV light.

[Gtecko]

Great info !!

thanks

[nlb69]

[Ksporty]

Cool post! Given the sophistication of counterfeiters, this probably helps buyers more overall confirming authenticity then it does the counterfeiters.

[uhren917]

Thanks very much for this very useful post!

[ec51]

Does anyone know what type of info is on the CC style strip? Who inputs this info and when?

[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by ec51

Does anyone know what type of info is on the CC style strip? Who inputs this info and when?

Not 100% but I’m guessing it will just contain basic info about the watch - model reference dial colour, serial number etc.

I think it also just confirms back to Rolex HQ that the watch is now sold & which AD sold it.

I am planning a trip to my AD sometime in the next week or so. I will ask that very question then I can start a thread called “My AD said....”




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[ROLEX MAN]

very useful information.

thank-you

[ec51]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Not 100% but I’m guessing it will just contain basic info about the watch - model reference dial colour, serial number etc.

I think it also just confirms back to Rolex HQ that the watch is now sold & which AD sold it.

I am planning a trip to my AD sometime in the next week or so. I will ask that very question then I can start a thread called “My AD said....”




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Yes, please do! Very interested in knowing what's on these things...

Could potentially effect the gray market I'd imagine re: warranty coverage...?