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Old 10 April 2023, 07:09 AM   #301
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I like the watch, it looks great but all the genta stuff is annoying. I think the you tubers are the worst for it. Will be interested in seeing the aqua one.
Everyone also seems to forget there was a version of these watches released about 10 years ago. Maybe speaking about those doesn’t fit with the genta story people are talking about with misaligned bezels etc.


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Old 10 April 2023, 11:29 AM   #302
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As per watchbase, this IWC movement is no longer considered ETA based and is considered fully in house.

“This entry was previously listed as being based on ETA 2892; after contact with IWC, we have removed this as according to IWC these movements do not have the same parts, same specifications or even same dimensions as the ETA calibres in question.”
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Old 10 April 2023, 03:55 PM   #303
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As per watchbase, this IWC movement is no longer considered ETA based and is considered fully in house.

“This entry was previously listed as being based on ETA 2892; after contact with IWC, we have removed this as according to IWC these movements do not have the same parts, same specifications or even same dimensions as the ETA calibres in question.”
Same 32111 movement as found in the Mark XX...

I don't want to regurgitate every internet watch personality talking point, but I agree with them. It's a nice watch, but was surprised to see it out of the upper four digit price range. This at $8600 is a home run. At almost 12K, it's a single.

Personally, I'd love to see it compared directly to the Chopard (I happen to like the AE).
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Old 10 April 2023, 06:50 PM   #304
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There seems to be a lot of discussion of the price being to high. I totally agree that it’s on the higher end of what I thought they would have priced it however in the long term I think it’s a good thing. If it was priced 3k lower there would be far greater demand and the watch would likely be near impossible for a person with no purchase history with IWC to get one and would likely go for alot more on the resell market. Therefore, the waitlist would be considerably more than it currently is (+ 1 year) and the people who actually want the watch Likely wouldn’t get one for a long period. IWC are not Rolex, they don’t make more than 50k watches a year and this watch likely takes longer to make than other 3 hand IWC’s. I think at the current price people who want one will be able to get one and hopefully demand will lower in a year or so.

Does anyone know what the demand is in there country?
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Old 11 April 2023, 11:11 AM   #305
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Therefore, the waitlist would be considerably more than it currently is (+ 1 year) and the people who actually want the watch Likely wouldn’t get one for a long period.
Seriously? Is there really a 1-year wait list? That's absurd for this watch at any price.
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Old 11 April 2023, 11:18 AM   #306
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There seems to be a lot of discussion of the price being to high. I totally agree that it’s on the higher end of what I thought they would have priced it however in the long term I think it’s a good thing. If it was priced 3k lower there would be far greater demand and the watch would likely be near impossible for a person with no purchase history with IWC to get one and would likely go for alot more on the resell market. Therefore, the waitlist would be considerably more than it currently is (+ 1 year) and the people who actually want the watch Likely wouldn’t get one for a long period. IWC are not Rolex, they don’t make more than 50k watches a year and this watch likely takes longer to make than other 3 hand IWC’s. I think at the current price people who want one will be able to get one and hopefully demand will lower in a year or so.

Does anyone know what the demand is in there country?

Where did you hear about a 1 year waitlist?
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Old 11 April 2023, 06:03 PM   #307
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I heard this from the UK head boutique a week after it was released. Both the black and aqua colour appear to be the most popular, with the white dial the least popular. There are only 2 boutiques in the whole country so I am not that surprise and when I placed my order on launch day they said they had a lot of people call up and a few people had come in store before me, I must of gotten there 50 mins after they opened.
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Old 11 April 2023, 08:33 PM   #308
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I like the watch, it looks great but all the genta stuff is annoying. I think the you tubers are the worst for it. Will be interested in seeing the aqua one.
Everyone also seems to forget there was a version of these watches released about 10 years ago. Maybe speaking about those doesn’t fit with the genta story people are talking about with misaligned bezels etc.


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Are these 10-11mm slim and 40 mm diameter with a "nautilus" bracelet and female end links though? Or are they huge 90s style cuff watches with flared fixed end links?
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Are these 10-11mm slim and 40 mm diameter with a "nautilus" bracelet and female end links though? Or are they huge 90s style cuff watches with flared fixed end links?

I am talking about these. There was a silver, black and blue. I nearly bought the blue 10 years ago.
Looks to me like this edition has been cancelled by the IWC marketing team.
Half the price of the new one, no waiting list, no genta hype, just a solid decent watch. Much like the new one. People are being mugged off a bit here.




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Old 13 April 2023, 05:46 PM   #310
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I am talking about these. There was a silver, black and blue. I nearly bought the blue 10 years ago.
Looks to me like this edition has been cancelled by the IWC marketing team.
Half the price of the new one, no waiting list, no genta hype, just a solid decent watch. Much like the new one. People are being mugged off a bit here.




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You can apply this argument to every Date or Datejust ever made and compare to a current piece, you pay your money and take your choice
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Old 13 April 2023, 07:52 PM   #311
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You can apply this argument to every Date or Datejust ever made and compare to a current piece, you pay your money and take your choice
But Rolex don't suggest to people that the latest update is the only update there has ever been!

Anyway, if people want to spend the cash on it and believe its the long awaited remake of the original misaligned Genta then good for them.
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Old 13 April 2023, 07:58 PM   #312
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But Rolex don't suggest to people that the latest update is the only update there has ever been!

Anyway, if people want to spend the cash on it and believe its the long awaited remake of the original misaligned Genta then good for them.
This.

They are ignoring much of their history for short term monetary benefit.
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I am talking about these. There was a silver, black and blue. I nearly bought the blue 10 years ago.
Looks to me like this edition has been cancelled by the IWC marketing team.
Half the price of the new one, no waiting list, no genta hype, just a solid decent watch. Much like the new one. People are being mugged off a bit here.




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If that shape / angles and curves, case and bracelet finish, dial manufacturing technique, in house vs ETA movement look the same to you then by all means buy the less expensive one.

The IW323902 is closer to the new one than post 301 above for sure. 902 is thinner but case and bracelet not nearly as nice. Flattish links with huge center links and a very basic dial. Personally wouldn't wear it. Looks bulky. Also the fixed end link bracelet flare is less comfortable compared to the straight down drape you'll get from the new one.

I'm glad internet watch experts think it sucks and don't see what I see. I'll get mine sooner and won't see one in the wild



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Old 13 April 2023, 09:51 PM   #314
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I think the new one is a nice watch. Its the marketing I don't like. Its disingenuous. I also don't like the fact that AD's who have bust their ass trying to sell IWC, through some real dark days, are not being allowed to sell these new watches either.

Pricing is also ridiculous which is why they are restricting distribution. If they sent them out to their AD's with these price tags, most of them would sit in their cases for months. I got a sky dweller yesterday and its around 10% more expensive than the titanium version. Thats nuts to me.

To be clear though, if it was a Ł7k watch in the UK I would look at one. It's not 5 figures though, not in my world anyway. Enjoy when it comes and I agree you will be the only guy in the village with one!
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Old 13 April 2023, 10:08 PM   #315
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Pricing is also ridiculous which is why they are restricting distribution. If they sent them out to their AD's with these price tags, most of them would sit in their cases for months. I got a sky dweller yesterday and its around 10% more expensive than the titanium version. Thats nuts to me.
Not sure I would agree, SkyDweller is a nice piece with a great complication but only if you have a large wrist. I do like the blue dial but when mine arrived it was very disappointing as I found it unwearable - went straight back to my AD.
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Old 13 April 2023, 10:32 PM   #316
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Not sure I would agree, SkyDweller is a nice piece with a great complication but only if you have a large wrist. I do like the blue dial but when mine arrived it was very disappointing as I found it unwearable - went straight back to my AD.
Size is pretty subjective based on wrist size, preference, etc. I think he’s saying the amount of R&D behind an in-house annual calendar vs creating an ETA clone is not on the same pricing level.
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Size is pretty subjective based on wrist size, preference, etc. I think he’s saying the amount of R&D behind an in-house annual calendar vs creating an ETA clone is not on the same pricing level.

I hear that a lot with this movement but comparison between them doesn't look all that similar to me. I can't get any bridges, screws, balance, regulation, etc to line up.

Can you do a side by side explaining how this is an ETA clone?

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lol everyone is shitting on the pricing instead of its design etc.

wait a couple of years, prices should come down and you can buy it then, in the meantime i will have mine while the rest of the sheeps wear their rolexes
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Old 14 April 2023, 12:35 AM   #319
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lol everyone is shitting on the pricing instead of its design etc.

wait a couple of years, prices should come down and you can buy it then, in the meantime i will have mine while the rest of the sheeps wear their rolexes
In fairness, though, price is relevant. This is a very average watch... looks and design. So why would anybody pay and above average price for it? No offense to you for getting one, more power to you but you solicited the response and it's just my own opinion.

That's not to say it is a garbage watch. If it were $100, I'd get one. If it were $1000, I'd get one. But if it were $5000 - $7000, I would not get one for the same reason I haven't bought an older one that looks nearly identical in relative comparison.


Also... I just have to observe something re the "sheep" comment. If people are lining up to buy this watch similar to the way people line up to buy a Rolex, wouldn't that make them sheep too? Especially considering this watch is objectively nothing special?
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Where is the IWC Genta Ingenieur?

Flock of 2 reporting for duty.

Where my at?

Only kidding. Everyone hates it. Just read YouTube.
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Everyone hates it. Just read YouTube.
There js no such thing as bad publicity. The IWC marketing nachine is doing a great job. When was the last time a new release of IWC generated so much noise. I love the watch and will be in line at the IWC boutique awaiting the new Ingenieur.
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There js no such thing as bad publicity. The IWC marketing nachine is doing a great job. When was the last time a new release of IWC generated so much noise. I love the watch and will be in line at the IWC boutique awaiting the new Ingenieur.

Welcome to the thread. I already paid for mine.
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Size is pretty subjective based on wrist size, preference, etc. I think he’s saying the amount of R&D behind an in-house annual calendar vs creating an ETA clone is not on the same pricing level.
I know exactly what he is saying
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In fairness, though, price is relevant. This is a very average watch... looks and design. So why would anybody pay and above average price for it? No offense to you for getting one, more power to you but you solicited the response and it's just my own opinion.

That's not to say it is a garbage watch. If it were $100, I'd get one. If it were $1000, I'd get one. But if it were $5000 - $7000, I would not get one for the same reason I haven't bought an older one that looks nearly identical in relative comparison.


Also... I just have to observe something re the "sheep" comment. If people are lining up to buy this watch similar to the way people line up to buy a Rolex, wouldn't that make them sheep too? Especially considering this watch is objectively nothing special?
i really hope nobody lines up for this watch, so i can be "special" hahaha

although i agree on the price being alittle over but everyone is shitting on the price has come to a point it's alittle annoying, yes we get it, it's overpriced.

to me, it's a great looking watch with a solid movement, good enough finishing and history behind it.

and comparing to the older gen, it's a totally different watch.
i had the amg version but sold it, waiting for this and i think i would love this alittle more
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There js no such thing as bad publicity. The IWC marketing nachine is doing a great job. When was the last time a new release of IWC generated so much noise. I love the watch and will be in line at the IWC boutique awaiting the new Ingenieur.
yes sir, it's been sometime since IWC has been relevant.
Christian is doing a good job since he took over.
ever since the Lake Tahoe and IWC AMG release.
love what they are doing

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I think the new one is a nice watch. Its the marketing I don't like. Its disingenuous. I also don't like the fact that AD's who have bust their ass trying to sell IWC, through some real dark days, are not being allowed to sell these new watches either.

Pricing is also ridiculous which is why they are restricting distribution. If they sent them out to their AD's with these price tags, most of them would sit in their cases for months. I got a sky dweller yesterday and its around 10% more expensive than the titanium version. Thats nuts to me.

To be clear though, if it was a Ł7k watch in the UK I would look at one. It's not 5 figures though, not in my world anyway. Enjoy when it comes and I agree you will be the only guy in the village with one!
i think because AD used to sell iwc at great discounts, kinda dilutes the brand value (used to be 25%-35% off RRP, on the grey market, as good as 50% off new).
i also think it's the direction of richemont of moving most of the good stuff to boutique only.
started with vacheron constantin.
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i really hope nobody lines up for this watch, so i can be "special" hahaha

although i agree on the price being alittle over but everyone is shitting on the price has come to a point it's alittle annoying, yes we get it, it's overpriced.

to me, it's a great looking watch with a solid movement, good enough finishing and history behind it.

and comparing to the older gen, it's a totally different watch.
i had the amg version but sold it, waiting for this and i think i would love this alittle more
Fair points. I don't disagree.
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i really hope nobody lines up for this watch, so i can be "special" hahaha

although i agree on the price being alittle over but everyone is shitting on the price has come to a point it's alittle annoying, yes we get it, it's overpriced.

to me, it's a great looking watch with a solid movement, good enough finishing and history behind it.

and comparing to the older gen, it's a totally different watch.
i had the amg version but sold it, waiting for this and i think i would love this alittle more
we should have thumbs up and thumbs down button in the forum.

I agree with your point.

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we should have thumbs up and thumbs down button in the forum.

I agree with your point.

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Why can't an app like Tapatalk offer this overlay ? Sure it may not be visible to web browser folks but within the percentage that uses the app it would.
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I'm glad internet watch experts think it sucks and don't see what I see. I'll get mine sooner and won't see one in the wild
Agreed. You will find mine out there soon enough.
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