Where is the IWC Genta Ingenieur?

[ap1]

Is this new iwc (Which I like btw) worth 4k more than newly released green santos for instance. Seems kinda steep. I may do it anyways. Then lose 30% on the boards selling to you lol

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by ap1

Is this new iwc (Which I like btw) worth 4k more than newly released green santos for instance. Seems kinda steep. I may do it anyways. Then lose 30% on the boards selling to you lol

Exactly. I already asked about it myself

[JParm]

I haven't kept up with IWC pricing but this does seem pricey at nearly $13,000.

I thought it would be 5-6k...boy, was I off. Yes, I'm biased but at this price, I'm going Chopard AE or even Zenith for the integrated bracelet look.

[the dark knight]

Originally Posted by ap1

Is this new iwc (Which I like btw) worth 4k more than newly released green santos for instance. Seems kinda steep. I may do it anyways. Then lose 30% on the boards selling to you lol

Why not be on the other side of that trade and pick one up for 50% off MSRP preowned?

[the dark knight]

Just to provide a counterpoint on the IWC pricing strategy (and I am kind of contradicting myself here a bit too), some of you brought up the Chopard AE. I think prior to that most of Chopard's watches were absolute dogs in the resale market, but the AE seems to hold value quite well (and indeed seems to have increased in popularity recently).

Considering the popularity of integrated bracelet watches now, and the fact that this is a Genta design, maybe this will hold value quite well. Especially if IWC decides to limit production/allocation.

[the dark knight]

Originally Posted by ap1

Is this new iwc (Which I like btw) worth 4k more than newly released green santos for instance. Seems kinda steep. I may do it anyways. Then lose 30% on the boards selling to you lol

I think that says more about what a great value the Santos is. Outside of the PR the movement seems just as refined/advanced as the IWC's. And I dare say that Cartier design is more iconic than anything Genta has designed. Definitely has withstood the test of time longer.

Cartier also engineered strap quick change (and includes an extra strap) and a ridiculously easy way to size the bracelet, the former of which I was sure IWC would include on this watch. And if you are willing to pocket an extra link, the lack of microadjust isn't as annoying on the Santos when you can just remove/add links with your fingers as tools.

[EEpro]

Good wrist roll with terrible audio.

https://youtube.com/shorts/k4kJIl0kaUo?feature=share

[EEpro]

Better video review with lots of detail angles.

https://youtu.be/-8b0CXyxz-g





There's even a bevel on the PCLs

[JCZ5]

The high price is related to historical significance for sure. I think it will be a huge hit and can see IWC holding back on flooding the market.

Comparing how much a steel 37mm RO cost, $11.7K does not seem bad. Yeah yeah the movement is not that special, but you’re really paying for the history and design at this point.

I’m leaning closer to putting my name in the hat for this one. However, hearing some stories IWC boutiques asking full payment to be on the “list”. That does not seem fun especially if IWC cannot offer a timeframe for delivery.


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[~JJ]

Unpopular opinion, but really disappointed and it looks like a mess to me. The case, bracelet and bezel have zero subtle contour similar to what you find on a sub 2k piece. However, the dial (assume stamped) and hands are sharp. Awesome PR. Hard pass for me.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

The high price is related to historical significance for sure. I think it will be a huge hit and can see IWC holding back on flooding the market.

Comparing how much a steel 37mm RO cost, $11.7K does not seem bad. Yeah yeah the movement is not that special, but you’re really paying for the history and design at this point.

I’m leaning closer to putting my name in the hat for this one. However, hearing some stories IWC boutiques asking full payment to be on the “list”. That does not seem fun especially if IWC cannot offer a timeframe for delivery.


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Yeah I talked mine into $5,850 down for aqua

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Yeah I talked mine into $5,850 down for aqua

You already got a near 50% discount on this watch that hasn’t released yet? Please tell me where, I’m trying to buy either Aqua, Black or Titanium for myself.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

You already got a near 50% discount on this watch that hasn’t released yet? Please tell me where, I’m trying to buy either Aqua, Black or Titanium for myself.

Sorry I mean they wanted full deposit and we agreed on half. I wish. It's going to be an application piece. I think best bet is to enter the early queue so that's what I did. I'm #3 for aqua at my boutique now.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Sorry I mean they wanted full deposit and we agreed on half. I wish. It's going to be an application piece. I think best bet is to enter the early queue so that's what I did. I'm #3 for aqua at my boutique now.

Gotcha, well good luck. I don’t have a IWC boutique locally. I do have AD’s like Tourneau and London Jewelers near me. I emailed my AD to see if they’re carrying the piece, unfortunately, they’re on vacation until the 30th lol.

I then called IWC directly to place an order, I’m currently on a “global” waitlist. Guess I’m not getting this on launch lol.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Gotcha, well good luck. I don’t have a IWC boutique locally. I do have AD’s like Tourneau and London Jewelers near me. I emailed my AD to see if they’re carrying the piece, unfortunately, they’re on vacation until the 30th lol.

I then called IWC directly to place an order, I’m currently on a “global” waitlist. Guess I’m not getting this on launch lol.

You never know. I got a Vacheron overseas by calling the 800 number. It's at least an order of entry list. Plus selling direct to you saves RNA cash I bet so they are incentivized to cut out the AD/boutique overhead.

Good luck!

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

You never know. I got a Vacheron overseas by calling the 800 number. It's at least an order of entry list. Plus selling direct to you saves RNA cash I bet so they are incentivized to cut out the AD/boutique overhead.

Good luck!

I called for an Overseas last month as well oddly enough lol.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by ~JJ

Unpopular opinion, but really disappointed and it looks like a mess to me. The case, bracelet and bezel have zero subtle contour similar to what you find on a sub 2k piece. However, the dial (assume stamped) and hands are sharp. Awesome PR. Hard pass for me.

I mean the design is not really new so shouldn’t be a surprise. We all knew an Ingenieur is going to look like this lol


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I mean the design is not really new so shouldn’t be a surprise. We all knew an Ingenieur is going to look like this lol


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I'm still waiting for some side by sides of his $2,000 watch vs the pics in post 188

[Dalaruan]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

The high price is related to historical significance for sure. I think it will be a huge hit and can see IWC holding back on flooding the market.

Comparing how much a steel 37mm RO cost, $11.7K does not seem bad. Yeah yeah the movement is not that special, but you’re really paying for the history and design at this point.

I’m leaning closer to putting my name in the hat for this one. However, hearing some stories IWC boutiques asking full payment to be on the “list”. That does not seem fun especially if IWC cannot offer a timeframe for delivery.


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History significance and also market comparable I guess. Things like chopard AE, gp Laureato and piaget polo s (!!!!!) are charging slightly higher. Iwc wouldn't want to position itself too low below these brands maybe

[~JJ]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I mean the design is not really new so shouldn’t be a surprise. We all knew an Ingenieur is going to look like this lol

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As I said unpopular opinion, I was expecting an evolution while maintaining dna. Glad most like it

[MP777]

But Royal Oak and Nautilus both have in house and very well decorated movements. Overseas as well.
This IWC uses an ETA based, the same movement that goes in their $6K Aquatimer.

If this IWC actually used a premium movement then I think the $12k would be more justifiable. As-is we’re all just paying for the marketing and Genta association. Take those away this should be a $8k watch at most for IWC.

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

If you want this watch, I think it's a secondary market model. This is where I think IWC's pricing strategy doesn't really make sense.

That being said, if the RO is unobtainable except at ridiculous secondary market markups, and the Nautilus is the same, and the Overseas (which isn't even a GG design) retails for $22k, then perhaps the IWC is not overpriced to absurdity.

I would not be surprised in next year's model upgrades the movement and perhaps adds a display caseback.

[OneOmegaMan]

cheap movement with not even a sapphire caseback. Totally not worth 13k

[IS2000]

They are nice looking watches. The price is kind of steep for an IWC but when compare to something Genta designed like the new 37mm AP ROs (which recently switched to 3rd party movements). Then the value is decent.

[gaheris]

I know the Ingenieur has a better dial and I have lusted after it for years, but I can't look at it the same way after finding out the price and knowing the existence of Citizen 870 NA1000.

The 870 has a magnetic resistance of 16,000 A/m. Should be enough for most engineer jobs

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Sorry I mean they wanted full deposit and we agreed on half. I wish. It's going to be an application piece. I think best bet is to enter the early queue so that's what I did. I'm #3 for aqua at my boutique now.

yes, the green (at least) is a application piece.

i had my name down last year, hopefully i get it soon

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by OneOmegaMan

cheap movement with not even a sapphire caseback. Totally not worth 13k

lol, it has a anti magnetic soft iron cage.

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

The high price is related to historical significance for sure. I think it will be a huge hit and can see IWC holding back on flooding the market.

Comparing how much a steel 37mm RO cost, $11.7K does not seem bad. Yeah yeah the movement is not that special, but you’re really paying for the history and design at this point.

I’m leaning closer to putting my name in the hat for this one. However, hearing some stories IWC boutiques asking full payment to be on the “list”. That does not seem fun especially if IWC cannot offer a timeframe for delivery.


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apart from the movement and finishing, AP is grossly overpriced, even at retail levels

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

I called for an Overseas last month as well oddly enough lol.

same lol, this month.
damn i have to sell the one i got it from grey exactly 1 year ago

[EEpro]

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

Nice post. I like this watch and am on the list for the Aqua. To me it does a good job of sticking to its roots with just enough modern touches.