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JonTheKingJames · 11 December 2018, 10:21 AM

Can someone please list the differences and or a photo of the differences, I am looking to purchase an 18238, it’s from 1988 and there is literally no stretch so I’m trying to see if the bracelet is authentic. Any help would be great

Thanks.

schoolboy · 11 December 2018, 10:40 AM

I don’t think the forum allows talk about replicas.

What some members do is that they post a picture of the questionable item and ask for feedback.

Just my two cents

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Speed · 11 December 2018, 10:57 AM

You think the seller may sell you a fake bracelet...but an authentic watch head?

I’d go with someone you trust completely.

schoolboy · 11 December 2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed

You think the seller may sell you a fake bracelet...but an authentic watch head?

I’d go with someone you trust completely.

^this too!

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GLADIATOR · 11 December 2018, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonTheKingJames

Can someone please list the differences and or a photo of the differences, I am looking to purchase an 18238, it’s from 1988 and there is literally no stretch so I’m trying to see if the bracelet is authentic. Any help would be great

Thanks.

Post photos!

JonTheKingJames · 11 December 2018, 01:20 PM

All I have is two photos at the moment of the bracelet. I have to get the folding clasp photo.

GLADIATOR · 11 December 2018, 01:45 PM

Not sure we can tell much from those photos - certainly not I - sorry

Phrank · 11 December 2018, 01:48 PM

This was another thread as well correct?

As mentioned, get some pics of the hallmarks on the inside of the bracelet - I posted mine, but my 18238 is post 1995, since I posted I did some research and they were different prior to '95.

Once you get some pics of the inside and the hallmarks, I'm sure the more knowledgeable members of the forum will help you out.

Good luck....:-)

crowncollection · 11 December 2018, 08:04 PM

Get photos of the hallmarks and read this post

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=265249

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JonTheKingJames · 12 December 2018, 08:28 AM

Some pics here

GLADIATOR · 12 December 2018, 08:55 AM

Looks good to me
Assay marks are looking correct
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77T · 12 December 2018, 10:01 AM

Looks OK but I’d pass and find one with the newer clasp. This one has the narrower blades that tend to get wobbly sooner.

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Jim Smyth · 12 December 2018, 10:31 PM

Clasp looks legit. What I would do before I bought it would have them remove the bracelet from the head. This does quite a few things. It lets you inspect the bracelet better to make sure they didnt weld a aftermarket bracelet onto the original clasp (it does happen!) and also lets you check the end link codes. If I remember right it should be 55B. Also you can then inspect the serial number of the watch. On this watch they tend to get buffed away in time if you have a Jeweler that isnt careful. My 18238 was barely visible with a 10X loupe.

JonTheKingJames · 12 December 2018, 11:11 PM

I’ll have to go do that next time. I do believe everything is legit at this point though, but it doesn’t hurt to check it all.

Jim Smyth · 13 December 2018, 12:40 AM

The lessons you learn will be your own.

Lgear080 · 24 December 2018, 06:08 AM

What’s the price and who is the retailer in Tampa? I just bought a mint 18038 complete set and this bracelet matches identically.

crowncollection · 24 December 2018, 07:03 AM

You need to check the links section. Clasp is ok bands section is often replaced

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springer · 24 December 2018, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

You need to check the links section. Clasp is ok bands section is often replaced

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X2. You can't call the bracelet correct just because the clasp is original. Many Day-Dates, especially the older ones, have had the bracelet sections replaced after years of wear and tear.

As usual, be careful out there my TRF friends.

Metal · 25 December 2018, 03:30 AM

I'd rather have a well-built replacement bracelet (with the original clasp) on a day date vs. a worn original. That part is just jewelry to me.
The watch case, movement dial, and crystal are the important bits.
Of course, I'm talking a run of the mill day date, nothing collectible. YMMV

Jim Smyth · 25 December 2018, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal

I'd rather have a well-built replacement bracelet (with the original clasp) on a day date vs. a worn original. That part is just jewelry to me.
The watch case, movement dial, and crystal are the important bits.
Of course, I'm talking a run of the mill day date, nothing collectible. YMMV

Of course you would and so would I. However people need to be aware of unscrupulous people in the jewelry business that sell things that are not 100% correct. If it isnt 100% the price needs to be commensurate/less than original.

The OP was given a few good reads by me early on, on how to identify a real Rolex 18238 with all the Hall marks. He then a few days later post pictures of the bracelet clasp asking if it was real which he could have learned if he read what was sent to him.

He hasnt been on in a while either so that tells me it either wasn't real or he didnt buy the watch. Which is good because it was over priced IMO.

JonTheKingJames · 26 December 2018, 06:14 AM

I’ve had my friend at the shop take the photos of the items so I wasnt there. But the watch is indeed real and so is the bracelet. I had them show me.

Tape · 26 December 2018, 06:20 AM

looks fake to me, the inscriptions are rough, the bracelet is not polished to a mirror shine and other signals that screams fake (too me), I know because I just bought a new 228235 from a AD in Nov this year. IMO

BTW it may be because of it's age but the inscriptions just look to rough too me even of its age but I'm not Rolex expert.

JonTheKingJames · 26 December 2018, 06:30 AM

It’s from 1988, the inscriptions look good, I’ve seen them from over 50 of these watches, the question became more about the bracelet links being real placed on the aftermarket clasp.

Tape · 26 December 2018, 06:33 AM

Also my bracelet doesn't have 18K on it only 750 and the OP's clasp looks all wrong, the back of my bracelet is smooth and the face has the inscriptions but this also might be indicative of the age but like I said I'm no expert.

Tape · 26 December 2018, 06:37 AM

Jon if you feel good about it then that's all that has to be pleased "is you" but like Jim stated, it is highly priced.

JonTheKingJames · 26 December 2018, 07:01 AM

The Rolex you bought is a completely different style. They changed the design of the clasp in the mid 2000s I believe. The ones beforehand look completely different.

Tape · 26 December 2018, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JonTheKingJames

The Rolex you bought is a completely different style. They changed the design of the clasp in the mid 2000s I believe. The ones beforehand look completely different.

I understand is why I said "indicative of the age"

GL if you get it.

GLADIATOR · 26 December 2018, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JonTheKingJames

\ I had them show me.

Show you what exactly?
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JonTheKingJames · 26 December 2018, 07:09 AM

Showed me the link end itself which had the inscription 55 or 55b I can’t recall.

GLADIATOR · 26 December 2018, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JonTheKingJames

Showed me the link end itself which had the inscription 55 or 55b I can’t recall.

Oh! And that makes it genuine?

The counterfeiters would never have thought to add that.

11 December 2018, 10:21 AM	#1
JonTheKingJames "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Long Island, NY Watch: 126600 SD 43 Posts: 173	Differences between Authentic And Italian Replica DD President bracelets? Can someone please list the differences and or a photo of the differences, I am looking to purchase an 18238, it’s from 1988 and there is literally no stretch so I’m trying to see if the bracelet is authentic. Any help would be great Thanks.

11 December 2018, 01:45 PM	#7
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Not sure we can tell much from those photos - certainly not I - sorry __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

11 December 2018, 08:04 PM	#9
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	Get photos of the hallmarks and read this post https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=265249 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

12 December 2018, 08:55 AM	#11
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Looks good to me Assay marks are looking correct A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

12 December 2018, 10:01 AM	#12
77T 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 40,695	Looks OK but I’d pass and find one with the newer clasp. This one has the narrower blades that tend to get wobbly sooner. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

11 December 2018, 10:40 AM	#2
schoolboy Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Real Name: Jesus Location: Texas Watch: 116234 Posts: 8,721	I don’t think the forum allows talk about replicas. What some members do is that they post a picture of the questionable item and ask for feedback. Just my two cents Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 December 2018, 10:57 AM	#3
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,695	You think the seller may sell you a fake bracelet...but an authentic watch head? I’d go with someone you trust completely.

11 December 2018, 01:48 PM	#8
Phrank 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Toronto Watch: ♕ Posts: 1,997	This was another thread as well correct? As mentioned, get some pics of the hallmarks on the inside of the bracelet - I posted mine, but my 18238 is post 1995, since I posted I did some research and they were different prior to '95. Once you get some pics of the inside and the hallmarks, I'm sure the more knowledgeable members of the forum will help you out. Good luck....:-)

12 December 2018, 10:31 PM	#13
Jim Smyth Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Jim Smyth Location: Florida Watch: DD Posts: 1,842	Clasp looks legit. What I would do before I bought it would have them remove the bracelet from the head. This does quite a few things. It lets you inspect the bracelet better to make sure they didnt weld a aftermarket bracelet onto the original clasp (it does happen!) and also lets you check the end link codes. If I remember right it should be 55B. Also you can then inspect the serial number of the watch. On this watch they tend to get buffed away in time if you have a Jeweler that isnt careful. My 18238 was barely visible with a 10X loupe.

12 December 2018, 11:11 PM	#14
JonTheKingJames "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Long Island, NY Watch: 126600 SD 43 Posts: 173	I’ll have to go do that next time. I do believe everything is legit at this point though, but it doesn’t hurt to check it all.

13 December 2018, 12:40 AM	#15
Jim Smyth Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Jim Smyth Location: Florida Watch: DD Posts: 1,842	The lessons you learn will be your own.

24 December 2018, 06:08 AM	#16
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	What’s the price and who is the retailer in Tampa? I just bought a mint 18038 complete set and this bracelet matches identically.

24 December 2018, 07:03 AM	#17
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	You need to check the links section. Clasp is ok bands section is often replaced Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

25 December 2018, 03:30 AM	#19
Metal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Mi Posts: 37	I'd rather have a well-built replacement bracelet (with the original clasp) on a day date vs. a worn original. That part is just jewelry to me. The watch case, movement dial, and crystal are the important bits. Of course, I'm talking a run of the mill day date, nothing collectible. YMMV

26 December 2018, 06:14 AM	#21
JonTheKingJames "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Long Island, NY Watch: 126600 SD 43 Posts: 173	I’ve had my friend at the shop take the photos of the items so I wasnt there. But the watch is indeed real and so is the bracelet. I had them show me.

26 December 2018, 06:20 AM	#22
Tape Banned Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wyoming Posts: 173	looks fake to me, the inscriptions are rough, the bracelet is not polished to a mirror shine and other signals that screams fake (too me), I know because I just bought a new 228235 from a AD in Nov this year. IMO BTW it may be because of it's age but the inscriptions just look to rough too me even of its age but I'm not Rolex expert.

26 December 2018, 06:30 AM	#23
JonTheKingJames "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Long Island, NY Watch: 126600 SD 43 Posts: 173	It’s from 1988, the inscriptions look good, I’ve seen them from over 50 of these watches, the question became more about the bracelet links being real placed on the aftermarket clasp.

26 December 2018, 06:33 AM	#24
Tape Banned Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wyoming Posts: 173	Also my bracelet doesn't have 18K on it only 750 and the OP's clasp looks all wrong, the back of my bracelet is smooth and the face has the inscriptions but this also might be indicative of the age but like I said I'm no expert.

26 December 2018, 07:01 AM	#26
JonTheKingJames "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Long Island, NY Watch: 126600 SD 43 Posts: 173	The Rolex you bought is a completely different style. They changed the design of the clasp in the mid 2000s I believe. The ones beforehand look completely different.

26 December 2018, 07:09 AM	#29
JonTheKingJames "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Long Island, NY Watch: 126600 SD 43 Posts: 173	Showed me the link end itself which had the inscription 55 or 55b I can’t recall.

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