Suddenly concerned with my 3 year old Sub

[smym18]

So I’ve had this 116610LN for almost 3 years now that I got as a gift. I’ve since gotten a few others, including the LV. I never once suspected this could be fake, but I’m suddenly concerned about the rehaut. It doesn’t seem to perfectly align with the second markers the way the LV does. Not only that, but the rehaut and dial font is slightly different than the LV but I do think that’s normal since they make slight changes to them with no mention.

Does this look suspicious at all? The last pic is the LV.

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[Comex5514_]

I can add my 2 cents by saying that warranty card looks good. It's glossy, has the right font and size. Would be interesting to see a front under the UV.

[superstarmar]

The LV doesn't seem to align perfectly either according to the pics.
Is the weight the same ? Do they wind the same, does the second
hand sweep the same as the LV?

[dmhines]

I’d have to see other Sub alignment . My Milgauss letters align perfectly with each tic and the serial aligns perfectly between tics.

[subtona]

likely just the pictures but the rehaut on the black sub (first pic) does not appear quite the same as the lv to me, aside from the misalignment it looks a bit bolder and heavier?


otherwise looks good.

[CorradoBrit]

Call Gundersons and see if they sold the watch 3 years ago.

Do you see the laser etched crown at 6 o'clock?

[Dishpro01]

I suggest some clear pics of the front of watch showing the crown guards, the Date font and how the crown on the rehaut lines up.

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[Bigblu10]

Please post clear pics showing more of the watch. Dial fonts of hulk vs. black Sub are known to be different, also the R O L E X engraving on the rehaut went through a change.

[springer]

Gunderson's is very reputable. I know them well. They are a small AD in Iowa that has a couple other stores in Sioux Falls and Omaha.

[locutus49]

Looks real to me but I'm no expert. I do own a sub, though.

[kauffee]

Rehaut alignment on Subs and GMTs is all over the map. There are dozens of threads on this in the Rolex General Discussion forum. Also, as you said, there have been changes to the font of the rehaut text. So if that's the only issue, you have nothing to worry about.

[smym18]

Originally Posted by kauffee

Rehaut alignment on Subs and GMTs is all over the map. There are dozens of threads on this in the Rolex General Discussion forum. Also, as you said, there have been changes to the font of the rehaut text. So if that's the only issue, you have nothing to worry about.

This lead me to do more research on this, which I should have done in the first place. It does look like the rehaut crown at 12:00 is slightly off, which like you said is not that uncommon. I feel better now and hopefully I can just ignore it like I have the previous three years.

[GLADIATOR]

Pictures are useless to confirm or deny.
Need photo of movement or engraving between lug at 12 o clock

[breitlings]

I would say the pics are useless because they are not straight on.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by breitlings

I would say the pics are useless because they are not straight on.

[smym18]

Originally Posted by breitlings

I would say the pics are useless because they are not straight on.

Well I was trying to get an angle that made it most noticeable. Also using an iPhone.

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by smym18

Well I was trying to get an angle that made it most noticeable. Also using an iPhone.

What did the AD say?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by smym18

Well I was trying to get an angle that made it most noticeable. Also using an iPhone.

Hi nothing wrong with iPhone just clean lense and take close ups straight on
Regards

[smym18]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

What did the AD say?

I didn't take it anywhere or call Gunderson's. I think this was just me overreacting and not realizing the rehaut or dial being slightly off is not that uncommon. I've worked with and bought and sold Rolex for years now at a jewelry store and have always hit on real vs fake. I think this was more of a weird brain fart by me.

However, if I call Gunderson's, they would be open to giving me info on this piece?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by smym18

I didn't take it anywhere or call Gunderson's. I think this was just me overreacting and not realizing the rehaut or dial being slightly off is not that uncommon. I've worked with and bought and sold Rolex for years now at a jewelry store and have always hit on real vs fake. I think this was more of a weird brain fart by me.

However, if I call Gunderson's, they would be open to giving me info on this piece?

The rehaut should NOT be out. Neither should any other part of the watch
Get photos of the movement or writing between lugs and then a proper decision can be made and not speculation
A

[77T]

Originally Posted by smym18

I didn't take it anywhere or call Gunderson's. I think this was just me overreacting and not realizing the rehaut or dial being slightly off is not that uncommon. I've worked with and bought and sold Rolex for years now at a jewelry store and have always hit on real vs fake. I think this was more of a weird brain fart by me.



However, if I call Gunderson's, they would be open to giving me info on this piece?

So I’m guessing you didn’t buy the 3 y. o. Sub from an AD?


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[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by 77T

So I’m guessing you didn’t buy the 3 y. o. Sub from an AD?


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He said it was a gift.

I don't see why the AD would refuse to confirm the watch was sold by them.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by springer

Gunderson's is very reputable. I know them well. They are a small AD in Iowa that has a couple other stores in Sioux Falls and Omaha.

Sioux City

[dmhines]

Take a straight on picture like this. This sub is from DsvidSW site for sale so it’s confirmed authentic.

[116710er]

Is it me or does the coronet on the rehaut look off on the DavidSW photo but the "R" and 9 o'clock is spot on? I know the rehauts don't always line up but I thought it if it was off, it'd be off all the way around. Maybe just a lens distortion.

[uncleluck]

Originally Posted by 116710er

Is it me or does the coronet on the rehaut look off on the DavidSW photo but the "R" and 9 o'clock is spot on? I know the rehauts don't always line up but I thought it if it was off, it'd be off all the way around. Maybe just a lens distortion.

It is off at 12 by quite a bit but I don’t agree the rest are lined up right either. To me the whole chapter ring looks clocked right, or more the dial left (considering the chapter is part of the case)

I guess a fix for this is to adjust the dial feel so the dial clocks round slightly. I’d imagine that’s where the discrepancy lies in this type of thing as there must be more variables from the dial to movement fit than the case etching.

Biggest mistake Rolex made was trying to make it line up in the first place. They’d have been better off spacing them out more and just letting it fall randomly.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by uncleluck

It is off at 12 by quite a bit but I don’t agree the rest are lined up right either. To me the whole chapter ring looks clocked right, or more the dial left (considering the chapter is part of the case)

I guess a fix for this is to adjust the dial feel so the dial clocks round slightly. I’d imagine that’s where the discrepancy lies in this type of thing as there must be more variables from the dial to movement fit than the case etching.

Biggest mistake Rolex made was trying to make it line up in the first place. They’d have been better off spacing them out more and just letting it fall randomly.

Dial Feet. And yes, there is a bit of play left or right when dial is attached to movement plate before tightened down. Some end up perfect, some don't. This has nothing to do with authenticity.

[rollin62]

Originally Posted by uncleluck

It is off at 12 by quite a bit but I don’t agree the rest are lined up right either. To me the whole chapter ring looks clocked right, or more the dial left (considering the chapter is part of the case)

I guess a fix for this is to adjust the dial feel so the dial clocks round slightly. I’d imagine that’s where the discrepancy lies in this type of thing as there must be more variables from the dial to movement fit than the case etching.

Biggest mistake Rolex made was trying to make it line up in the first place. They’d have been better off spacing them out more and just letting it fall randomly.

I don't think they made a mistake by trying to make it line up, I think they made a mistake on the ones that DON'T line up. $6000 & up for a watch, everything should be 110% perfectly engineered and dialed in. It should be another easy red flag to show a fake, one more precision step that they would have to do to try and copy a real Rolex. (They should also make it so the crown is perfectly "upright" when properly tightened on every watch. )
And to the original poster, that's a bummer you are questioning your watch after 3 years, but on a side note, if its still keeping time after 3 years, its probably genuine. I'm guessing even the good looking fakes don't have a precision movement that will hold up for a couple years without failing.

[GradyPhilpott]

Whatever misalignment there may be, it seem to me that it is within normal limits.

[GLADIATOR]

There should be NO misalignment - nor if it exists be corrected by moving anything. The "REHAUT" is a fixed part of the case, and you can not move the movement (dial)

How these rare pieces slip by ROLEX, I got NO idea - maybe fake cases? Really I got no idea.
But it "should" be spot on
Adam