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Old 7 July 2019, 11:44 AM   #1
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5146 vs Lange saxonia Annual calendar.. Thoughts?

Trying to decide between the Patek 5146 and the Lange Saxonia AC. Both beautiful annual calenders, one with power reserve, the other with grande date, both with moon phase. Love the patek but strong competition from the A Lange... Would love some compelling opinions for my first AC. Thanks.
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Old 7 July 2019, 12:17 PM   #2
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PP is the king of AC , they invented it. I particularly like the lumen and the power reserve.
My vote is for the 5146
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Old 7 July 2019, 12:22 PM   #3
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Agreed both are beautiful, although there is a big price difference between them at retail (Saxonia AC 30% more). Not very sure about used prices.

I like the big date on the Saxonia but the date on the 5146 is very legible also. I have considered both the Saxonia and 1815 AC recently, but decided to go with the 5205 as I prefer the 5205's case profile better with the unique skeleton lugs and slightly concave bezel for a nice shine.

No bad choice here really. You will love both.
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Old 7 July 2019, 12:31 PM   #4
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lange over 5146 for sure. i do like the 5905p better,
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Old 7 July 2019, 12:37 PM   #5
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lange over 5146 for sure. i do like the 5905p better,
I second this, I actualy don't really like the 5146 the dial layout is a bit crowded for my taste. The 5905 is definitely my choice of AC
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Old 7 July 2019, 01:09 PM   #6
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agree that PP is the ac brand, but i really dig that saxonia. and actually think the 1815 ac looks even better.
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Old 7 July 2019, 01:14 PM   #7
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5146 hands down... IMO Lange wins all day long in the chrono category though. Id take a Pt dato vs any Patek Chrono
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Old 7 July 2019, 01:33 PM   #8
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A vote for the Saxonia here. You can't beat the Lange's dial design and layout, simply exquisite.
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Old 7 July 2019, 02:08 PM   #9
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Dial aesthetic: Lange 1815 AC > Lange Saxonia AC > PP 5146;

Mechanically: I prefer Lange’s 72 hr PR to Patek’s 46 hr; also prefer Lange’s manual wind.

Case: Prefer Lange’s thinner case.

YMMV
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Old 7 July 2019, 05:42 PM   #10
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Old 7 July 2019, 06:11 PM   #11
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I am in your shoe. but look at the Lange, you will see the how beautiful of it., I prefer the 1815 Annual Calendar than the Saxonia because I hate the empty window of date when it from date 1 to 9. I wish The Lange will put number 0 on that empty window.
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Old 7 July 2019, 06:19 PM   #12
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I am in your shoe. but look at the Lange, you will see the how beautiful of it., I prefer the 1815 Annual Calendar than the Saxonia because I hate the empty window of date when it from date 1 to 9. I wish The Lange will put number 0 on that empty window.
No no no, has to be empty.
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Old 7 July 2019, 06:52 PM   #13
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No no no, has to be empty.
why lol?
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Old 7 July 2019, 10:41 PM   #14
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Tough decision for sure, wondering if they both keep their value equally. Both are beautiful pieces, I love the cream dial of the 5146. For my first AC it's a tough choice. I wanted to be in the 35k range.
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Dial aesthetic: Lange 1815 AC > Lange Saxonia AC > PP 5146;

Mechanically: I prefer Lange’s 72 hr PR to Patek’s 46 hr; also prefer Lange’s manual wind.

Case: Prefer Lange’s thinner case.

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Old 8 July 2019, 02:48 AM   #16
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Old 8 July 2019, 02:56 AM   #17
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Tough decision for sure, wondering if they both keep their value equally. Both are beautiful pieces, I love the cream dial of the 5146. For my first AC it's a tough choice. I wanted to be in the 35k range.




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Old 8 July 2019, 03:50 AM   #18
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Tough decision for sure, wondering if they both keep their value equally. Both are beautiful pieces, I love the cream dial of the 5146. For my first AC it's a tough choice. I wanted to be in the 35k range.
I am not familiar with the Patek, but the Lange does not seem to hold value well. For example, the white gold version retails for EUR45,900 (~USD 51,500) And can be had from Jomashop for $37k or preowned in the $25k to $30k range. So I would be asking for a discount if purchasing through an AD and see what they say.

Preowned seems like good value relative to other stainless steel sport watches in the current market when you consider the complication, the precious metal case and Lange's finishing.
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Old 8 July 2019, 04:26 AM   #19
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Personal preference Patek 5146.....

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Old 8 July 2019, 04:34 AM   #20
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Definitely leaning 5146, there seems to be several floating around. Can definitely be a daily wear piece.
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Old 8 July 2019, 09:47 AM   #21
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PP is the king of AC , they invented it. I particularly like the lumen and the power reserve.
My vote is for the 5146
Lange strongest models are Lange 1 and the Datograph
Jesus… talk about appealing to authority!
Ford invented the motor car, yet people buy Porsches, BMWs, and so forth – why’s that?

The Saxonia AC wipes the floor with the any Patek AC due to its better design front and back. You really would need to be sucking on the Patek tit and severely myopic not to notice.
If Patek stopped stupidly sticking a 24 hour indication around the moon phase aperture on almost everything else with an AC, they’d have actually had decent looking watches in the form of the 5205 and 5396.
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Old 8 July 2019, 09:51 AM   #22
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why lol?
Because no-one writes any date before the 10th with a leading zero, that’s why.
Example… 8th July, not 08th July.
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Old 8 July 2019, 10:14 AM   #23
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Jesus… talk about appealing to authority!
Ford invented the motor car, yet people buy Porsches, BMWs, and so forth – why’s that?

The Saxonia AC wipes the floor with the any Patek AC due to its better design front and back. You really would need to be sucking on the Patek tit and severely myopic not to notice.
If Patek stopped stupidly sticking a 24 hour indication around the moon phase aperture on almost everything else with an AC, they’d have actually had decent looking watches in the form of the 5205 and 5396.
Actually Karl Benz is widely credited with inventing the motor car. Ford applied the assembly line to car manufacturing and made the car affordable to the masses.
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Old 8 July 2019, 04:45 PM   #25
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Because no-one writes any date before the 10th with a leading zero, that’s why.
Example… 8th July, not 08th July.
lol how about 07/08/2019 lol
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Old 8 July 2019, 05:07 PM   #26
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Jesus… talk about appealing to authority!
Ford invented the motor car, yet people buy Porsches, BMWs, and so forth – why’s that?

The Saxonia AC wipes the floor with the any Patek AC due to its better design front and back. You really would need to be sucking on the Patek tit and severely myopic not to notice.
If Patek stopped stupidly sticking a 24 hour indication around the moon phase aperture on almost everything else with an AC, they’d have actually had decent looking watches in the form of the 5205 and 5396.
Wrong on Ford inventing the motor car but I totally agree re the 24 hour ring around the moon phase... Very meh... If they replaced the date window and the 24 hour ring w a date ring I'd be interested in a 5396. I think they won't ever do it as they reserved that layout for their PCs, say 5320 or 3448/3450...
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Old 8 July 2019, 06:15 PM   #27
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Dial aesthetic: Lange 1815 AC > Lange Saxonia AC > PP 5146;

Mechanically: I prefer Lange’s 72 hr PR to Patek’s 46 hr; also prefer Lange’s manual wind.

Case: Prefer Lange’s thinner case.

YMMV
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Old 9 July 2019, 12:00 AM   #28
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5146 is a classic PP annual calendar. Will be one that is hard to replicate as the design is timeless and can be used as a daily wear.
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Actually Karl Benz is widely credited with inventing the motor car. Ford applied the assembly line to car manufacturing and made the car affordable to the masses.
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Wrong on Ford inventing the motor car but I totally agree re the 24 hour ring around the moon phase... Very meh...

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Okay, but the key point still stands nonetheless.
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Old 9 July 2019, 03:31 AM   #30
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lol how about 07/08/2019 lol
Is that how you speak the date? “oh seven, oh eight, twenty nineteen”
Fair enough if you do, but don’t be surprised if you overhear anyone saying you’re a few sandwiches short of a picnic — they’d be correct!

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