What does NIB mean?

[tvad]

I'm looking at ads in the classifieds that state NIB, but some of the watches advertised as NIB have no stickers on them or bezel protectors.

So, what qualifies as NIB in Rolexforums classified ads?

[THC]

this is an often discussed topic... BNIB should always include all stickers. NIB is a bit more of a grey area and depends on the seller

[El-Duderino]

BNIB and NIB should mean the same thing. A lot of times the stickers or bezel protectors are removed because they hide the watch and all we really have to go off of on these forums are the photos. However, LNIB means the watch has been worn and is simply in really good condition.

If you aren't comfortable with the seller, don't buy the watch. A brief conversation with the seller, even over email or private message, will normally give you a pretty good feel on whether the sale is on the up and up.


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[El-Duderino]

Or, it stands for Nativity In Black, and it is arguably the best song off of Black Sabbath's debut album.

Either way, you are set.


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[Sublover2166]

Originally Posted by El-Duderino

Or, it stands for Nativity In Black, and it is arguably the best song off of Black Sabbath's debut album.

Either way, you are set.


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Just a little tidbit: NIB does not mean "Nativity in Black".
The song was named after the drummer's (Bill Ward) facial hair on his chin which was shaped like a writing pen nib. This came directly from band members. BTW, Sabbath is my favorite band, big metalhead here.

N.I.B. =New in Box seller DavidSW uses this
B.N.I.B.=Brand New in Box some sellers use this instead
Both usually mean new unworn watch and usually full stickered.

[El-Duderino]

Originally Posted by Sublover2166

Just a little tidbit: NIB does not mean "Nativity in Black".

The song was named after the drummer's (Bill Ward) facial hair on his chin which was shaped like a writing pen nib. This came directly from band members. BTW, Sabbath is my favorite band, big metalhead here.



N.I.B. =New in Box seller DavidSW uses this

B.N.I.B.=Brand New in Box some sellers use this instead

Both usually mean new unworn watch and usually full stickered.

Lol! I wondered if someone would call me out on that. I thought the joke would suffer a bit with the full explanation, though :)

Rock on, my friend!


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[locutus49]

Some sellers on TRF advertise BNIB but when you read the fine print the watches are pre-owned. Be very careful.

[Sublover2166]

Originally Posted by locutus49

Some sellers on TRF advertise BNIB but when you read the fine print the watches are pre-owned. Be very careful.

If a watch is pre-owned it could be either sized and worn or unworn.
BNIB should mean brand new and UNWORN.

Watches that have been sized and perhaps worn once or more but are mint should be classified as LNIB. Like New, but used.

Stick with the big sellers with the longest sales history. They don't misrepresent their watches.

[JP Chestnut]

New is new - unused, as you would purchase from an AD. I'm not sure it's reasonable to assume it's fully stickered. It's ALWAYS better to ask clear questions before buying, if you're going to be picky about that sort of thing.

98% of the pissed off buyer threads could have been avoided had the buyer asked smart and detailed questions before purchasing.

[Ritch99]

Originally Posted by El-Duderino

Or, it stands for Nativity In Black, and it is arguably the best song off of Black Sabbath's debut album.

Either way, you are set.


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I'll buy that.. lmao.

[tvad]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

New is new - unused, as you would purchase from an AD. I'm not sure it's reasonable to assume it's fully stickered.

That is my definition as well. New is new, as you say, and "Brand" new does not make the watch more new.

If a watch is unsold but missing stickers, or has a tag removed, etc., then it seems to me Like New, or As New, or New Demo would be more appropriate (and honest).

It's interesting to me that Rolexforums does not offer a grading scale in the Rules & Advice thread.

[multimedia]

Originally Posted by tvad

That is my definition as well. New is new, as you say, and "Brand" new does not make the watch more new.

Couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by tvad

It's interesting to me that Rolexforums does not offer a grading scale in the Rules & Advice thread.

This is also something I wondered about ever since I started browsing around on the "for sale section" (which was many years ago) ;)

Any input on this would be appropriated because, and perhaps this is only me, one tend to see quite a lot more ads which in the headline state that the watch is new. But when you read the details, it says that its in fact a used watch in mint condition...

Cheers,
Joe

[Tools]

Originally Posted by tvad

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So, what qualifies as NIB in Rolexforums classified ads?

TRF has no involvement with ads except to provide a convenient venue for members to look for a possible purchase.

If you want to know about a particular watch, contact the seller or check for their references for accuracy of their lists.

[tvad]

Originally Posted by Tools

TRF has no involvement with ads except to provide a convenient venue for members to look for a possible purchase.

That is clear.

Would providing condition guidelines in the Rules and Advice thread be considered involvement with ads?

[Tools]

Originally Posted by tvad

That is clear.

Would providing condition guidelines in the Rules and Advice thread be considered involvement with ads?

Yes, it would.

We would be swamped with members complaining to us about their purchase if it wasn't perceived "as advertised", instead of taking it up with the seller; or expecting the Forum to make it up to them.

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Sublover2166

Just a little tidbit: NIB does not mean "Nativity in Black".
The song was named after the drummer's (Bill Ward) facial hair on his chin which was shaped like a writing pen nib. This came directly from band members. BTW, Sabbath is my favorite band, big metalhead here.

N.I.B. =New in Box seller DavidSW uses this
B.N.I.B.=Brand New in Box some sellers use this instead
Both usually mean new unworn watch and usually full stickered.

And here's another, the correct word in the English language is 'titbit' not tidbit. Some folk have a misconceived idea that because it contains the syllable 'tit' that it must be rude. It's not. As one example, there are plenty of birds in that particular species

Back on track, I've wondered many times why there's a distinction between NIB and BNIB. To my simple mind, I always thought that BNIB was stickers intact and unworn whereas NIB would be something like an ex-display model that's unworn, not been sized but stickers have been removed.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by tvad

That is my definition as well. New is new, as you say, and "Brand" new does not make the watch more new.

If a watch is unsold but missing stickers, or has a tag removed, etc., then it seems to me Like New, or As New, or New Demo would be more appropriate (and honest).

It's interesting to me that Rolexforums does not offer a grading scale in the Rules & Advice thread.

The vast majority of watches sold by ADs don't have stickers (excepting perhaps the caseback and little clasp sticker). Caring about stickers is 100% a forum creation. New is new. Never before sold. Not sized. Having never been even tried on is more than you would expect from an AD - that's obvious since you have to specifically state "I want it in the coffin with all the stickers".

[tvad]

Originally Posted by Tools

Yes, it would.

We would be swamped with members complaining to us about their purchase if it wasn't perceived "as advertised", instead of taking it up with the seller; or expecting the Forum to make it up to them.

Thank you for the response.

[East Bay Rider]

LNIB
Like New In Box

[onkyo]

NIB = unworn.
BNIB = unworn.

[daveathall]

NIB, IMHO means Brand New. BNIB, IMHO means Brand New.

[kneedeep]

My only preference for a watch with stickers is really getting a new watch with the extra protection from scratches, etc at the AD from people handling them and trying them on. I'd like the honor and privilege of putting the first dings on it.