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21 March 2023, 11:40 PM | #61 | |
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Personally I'm "on the list" for a 321 with my local Omega AD, but will probably have to go grey for it, as I'm told this AD has never been sent a single 321 despite having myself and 3 others waiting for one. So if I was looking to sell a Sub to fund a 321 like the OP is, I'd definitely do the deal (although I'd be more comfortable putting no more than 5k in on top).
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IMHO the Speedmaster lost price altitude to Rolex over the decades. At one time they were priced about the same That said, I hear you. In the case of the 321 it’s a lot of money (relatively speaking), so you really have to love the history of the 321 movement, the NASA history and the “hand assembled” uniqueness to see the value proposition. Some have suggested that the finishing and movement is on par with the some of the holy trinity … that may be a stretch or not. I’m not really a haute horology kind of guy, but I do appreciate all of the rest. It’s definitely not for everyone, and I’m certainly not suggesting it should be |
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22 March 2023, 12:37 AM | #63 |
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It’s a bit funny reading where people “price” the 321, just because it looks like the standard 3861 from afar. I could show you several cheap watches that look just like a submariner, but yet here we are on a forum where everyone of us pays for that extra bit of detail and authenticity.
Consider why the 321 is expensive: - it’s an entirely new case, crystal, bracelet and dial design not borrowed from any other current Speedmaster (designed based on scans of Gene Cernan’s own personal watch). The attention to detail and finishing on the 321 is superior to the standard 3861. - “new” 321 movement, coated in gold, hand assembled by one watch maker. - only ~2000 stainless steel models in circulation over 2-3 years. - at that low volume, I’m surprised the MSRP is only $14k - the Canopus gold version is $80k by comparison. - look at other watches with a Lemania 2310 based movement (Patek 5070, vacheron cornes de vache). I need not explain that prices on these are in a different ballpark altogether yet the 321 IS the base for those movements. The Patek goes for $80k+ now, with a steel cornes de vache MSRP around $40k - again, the omega is a bargain. I understand the temptation to say this watch is not worth its price because it looks like a 3861 from afar, and the 3861 is much lower price (which I believe is also underpriced). I also understand that at $14k MSRP it’s right in line with the Daytona, so that’s the natural comparator. However, the detail in this watch, is indeed something very special - sort of like how a Patek 5078g looks very similar to a Patek 5196p from afar - that ain’t the same watch lol. |
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For anyone that ares I ended up pulling the trigger. Should have the watch later this week.
I'm stoked! Thank you to those that provided feedback. I agree with the consensues that it's a very special movement and overall watch and I think it will fit nicely in my collection.
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22 March 2023, 05:38 AM | #67 |
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22 March 2023, 06:37 AM | #68 |
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Congrats! I think you did the right thing, and you’ll still have the LV to scratch that itch.
I think the 321 will probably spend more time off the wrist, just so you can admire the movement through the cashback |
22 March 2023, 07:11 AM | #69 |
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Go ahead with the trade.
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22 March 2023, 07:39 AM | #70 |
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7k + the 126610 seems a bit off to me. If a 126610 goes for 14 grey and a 321 goes for 18-19.. I’d rather sell the 126610 and buy the speedy. I’m assuming that you can’t just go grab the 321 for retail (unsure).
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Buy a 3861 and keep the sub. Other than a very limited amount of Omega enthusiasts, nobody knows who cares about the difference between the Ed White and the regular Speedy Pro. If you do, that’s a different matter, then, make the trade.
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22 March 2023, 07:55 AM | #72 |
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Hm. Tough one. I’m really not a fan of either (6 digit and 321). And the trade doesn’t seem right form a value perspective. I would just go to an Omega Boutique and see when you can get one at retail if that’s where your heart is. They do come up. I was offered one (in Switzerland) but then passed because there are too many aspects about it that I didn’t like to justify the price. And I love Speedmasters. If it was me I’d sell the six digit sun and buy a five digit no date or Sea Dweller and a vintage Speedy with proper specs.
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I’d go find a big box 1861, a vintage 861 or (a bit more tricky and expensive) a vintage pre-moon 321 model. |
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Thanks. I borrowed it from my original 321 incoming post last year in the Omega section. If interested, there’s more detail and history summarized there: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=846386
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22 March 2023, 08:27 AM | #76 |
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Congratulations, Santiago32! I’m sure you’ll appreciate it as much as I do. My NEW 321 gets a lot of wrist time. Just look at the very fine detail of the ceramic bezel and inlay. Flip to the back and get lost in the ticking of the movement. Press the pushers for the fine tight feeling. It may look like other Speedies, but those who know, KNOW. Honestly, I see it on my wrist more than my black Daytona 116520.
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Trading a Sub Date for a 321 Speedmaster
This will probably get burried by the new Rolex released but I wanted to share my experience of trading in my Submariner 41mm for the iconic 321 Speedmaster 'Ed White'. And let me tell you, I couldn't be happier with my decision!
Don't get me wrong, the Submariner is a fantastic watch - it's sleek, sturdy and an all-around classic. But after a while, I started to feel like it was too plain and lacking in character. Also, I have the green 'Kermit' so I always felt is was a bit of overlap. This has been the best decision I've made in a long time in terms of my collection. The 'Ed White' just oozes personality and charm. I don't like bracelets on most Omega's but this one feels solid and in a weird way feels like a Royal Oak bracelet. The contrasting black and white dial, the vintage-inspired hands, and the ceramic bezel, which has a metal outer ring like the new Daytona has . And the cherry on top? The 321 movement. This is one of the most sought-after movements in the world of watches, and for good reason. The 321 is based on the lemania 2310 which is precise, satisfying to use and just a joy to look at. Overall, I am absolutely in love with my new Speedmaster 'Ed White'. It makes me smile every time I wear it and it's one that I know will stay with me for a long time to come. In a sea of other Speedmasters and "Limited Editions"... this one TRULY feels special. For those that are in a similar situation as me and are on the fence, DO IT - you won't regret it!
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Congratulations- that’s a great addition
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Thank you!
Thank you! 100% agree.. This watch has it all.
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Looks awesome! Great choice
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Beautiful congrats it’s a special piece!
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28 March 2023, 12:09 PM | #84 |
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I’d do it….I can’t say I’m a huge omega fan but the 321 is amazing. Given your collection already includes a black dial sub I wouldn’t even think twice.
Edit: Looks like you went for it. Good move and congrats! |
28 March 2023, 12:55 PM | #85 |
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Congrats. The fact you “smile” when you wear it, says it all.
Nice collection, do you like the Tudor, or find it to be “ less” than a Rolex? |
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Trading a Sub Date for a 321 Speedmaster
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Thank you! In my opinion, the BB58 watch may not have the same level of refinement as a Rolex, but it excels as a reliable tool watch. I also really enjoy the blue dial and aluminum bezel. Whenever I'm traveling or venturing into areas with questionable safety, it's my preferred watch to wear.
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28 March 2023, 03:10 PM | #88 |
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You absolutely did the right thing.
The black Sub is a runof the mill Rolex The Ed White Speedmaster is a special special watch. I am a smidge jealous as I dream of owning a 321 |
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321 is a masterpiece.
7k is quite steep but its a very special watch. |
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Compare that to the Platona movement...and there are people who told you not to do it...
You made a great choice - Moonwatches are special. |
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