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jnmarshall · 20 March 2010, 05:49 AM

I just dropped off a watch at the RSC to see about getting the winding mechanism repaired. From the previous owner(here on TRF) it was thought to be a Cellini. It wasn't. In fact at one point I thought it might have been a fake they way they were fussing over it. It is a genuine Rolex. Model/Ref #9062/8 and Serial #US250***. In the end they said they can not estimate the repair immediately. They need a couple of weeks to work with the folks in switzerland and gave me a claim check. They said the estimate will cost $150 and the repairs if they can get the parts may be up to $1500!!! YIKES!!! I am hoping someone here might know more about this model. Trying to see if it's worth the repair costs, etc....
A picture of the watch from the sale forums here can be found at
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=119486
It's the smaller one with the heart shaped end links

achova · 20 March 2010, 06:14 AM

John,

Here are some photos of the watch to make it easier for people to respond. If you would like to return it, please let me know. I'll cover shipping both directions.

adam78 · 20 March 2010, 10:18 AM

The watch may not be worth that much more than the cost of repair, then. Ladies' watches tend not to be terribly collectible. I would seriously consider finding a good independent watchmaker.

1000ftSub · 20 March 2010, 10:20 AM

O boy, that thing has some history to it! What year is that?

jnmarshall · 20 March 2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1000ftSub

O boy, that thing has some history to it! What year is that?

That's what I was hoping you could tell me. I can't find any information on the web. And the service folks were gauking all over it with thier eye pieces.

kyle L · 20 March 2010, 11:17 AM

I have seen Orchids before, but not one with heart shaped lugs.

jnmarshall · 20 March 2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle L

I have seen Orchids before, but not one with heart shaped lugs.

Cellini has an Orchid model. The RSC was very clear this is not a Cellini. I asked about the Orchid on the dial and was told to "ignore it". They kept referring to it simply as a vintage Rolex but besides the ref# and serial# they would not tell me anything else.

adam78 · 20 March 2010, 11:20 PM

From the styling it is probably '50s era, I think the Cellini line began a little later in the '60s, but Rolex probably carried over the Orchid name.

Very nice watch!

Tylden Reed · 21 March 2010, 12:43 AM

As far a I remember Rolex used the name Orchid on gold ladies dress watches in the late '50s and early '60s. They didn't use the name Cellini for these peices. The movement is probably a cal. 282. Now obsolete it should still be able to find someone to service/repair it. The part that is most often replaced is the setting lever spring (bolt spring # 445 or ROLEX ref.2459) These break if not greased when serviced at 2 year approx intervals. There are still plenty of these watches in daily use. Some of us still have material - spares - too! Tylden

jnmarshall · 21 March 2010, 01:19 AM

Heard back from an independent watchmaker that has service my watches before. The model he believes dates the watch back to a 1926-1934 with a probably date from the SN being 1933+

Tylden Reed · 22 March 2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jnmarshall

Heard back from an independent watchmaker that has service my watches before. The model he believes dates the watch back to a 1926-1934 with a probably date from the SN being 1933+

Hi JNM. The case serial number lists that are to be found on many sites and in many books refer to Oyster cases only so cannot be used for this Orchid dress watch. The date of manufacture IS 1950s or 1960s. Rolex didn't use Incaboc in the '20s and '30. The design/style of the case is also indicative of those made in the '50s and '60s. Sorry. Tylden.

Nicko · 22 March 2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by achova

John,

Here are some photos of the watch to make it easier for people to respond. If you would like to return it, please let me know. I'll cover shipping both directions.

A very nice gesture on Adam's part. Thanks Adam for being a stand-up kinda guy. I just wish more people like you were around. I would be inclined to purchase from you anytime.

jnmarshall · 22 March 2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tylden Reed

Hi JNM. The case serial number lists that are to be found on many sites and in many books refer to Oyster cases only so cannot be used for this Orchid dress watch. The date of manufacture IS 1950s or 1960s. Rolex didn't use Incaboc in the '20s and '30. The design/style of the case is also indicative of those made in the '50s and '60s. Sorry. Tylden.

Would you happen to have any links to some pics of these watches? That would be really cool!

Saxon007 · 22 March 2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicko

A very nice gesture on Adam's part. Thanks Adam for being a stand-up kinda guy. I just wish more people like you were around. I would be inclined to purchase from you anytime.

Agreed. Very Classy.

Nicko · 22 March 2010, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxon007

Agreed. Very Classy.

Yup!

jnmarshall · 22 March 2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicko

A very nice gesture on Adam's part. Thanks Adam for being a stand-up kinda guy. I just wish more people like you were around. I would be inclined to purchase from you anytime.

Definitely great guy to deal with!

achova · 23 March 2010, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jnmarshall

Would you happen to have any links to some pics of these watches? That would be really cool!

Thanks for the responses. Actually have anther one with the more common scallop shaped lugs also for comparison. The serial on this dates it to about 1955.

Tylden Reed · 24 March 2010, 01:51 AM

I've just returned a watch to a customer from the same period but with an English 18ct case and bracelet hallmarked in London in 1959. Same basic case but with another design covering the 'ring ends'. Tylden.

jnmarshall · 24 March 2010, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by achova

Thanks for the responses. Actually have anther one with the more common scallop shaped lugs also for comparison. The serial on this dates it to about 1955.

Adam, how many more of these little mini Rollies do you have?

achova · 24 March 2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jnmarshall

Adam, how many more of these little mini Rollies do you have?

Well... I usually do things in pairs or trios but sometimes it gets out of hand. At this point, I have just this other one - available if you'd like. Same price.

greekbum · 25 March 2010, 12:36 AM

Some old ads with older ladies models

RLXSTR · 25 March 2010, 06:14 AM

The Chameleon ... 16mm in size. It's a tiny watch!

jnmarshall · 29 March 2010, 01:42 AM

Thank you all for the info. Especially to Adam that sold the watch and greekbum for the cool vintage catalog pics.
Just thought I'd post a quick update. I got the expected call from Rolex last week. Simply saying they are not able to service or repair the watch and that there was no charge.
So I drive down there thursday to pick it up. The nice lady at the desk has been playing with it and says she thinks they must have done something. For her the watch was working fine. When the watch was dropped off it was confirmed there was a winding issue. Sure enough over the weekend my wife and I are using it and it does seem fine!
Since picking it up here's what has happened. Winding the watch takes about 12 to 14 turns and then it stops, which is something it didn't do before. It runs for somewhere between 30-36 hours. It keeps good time for the first 24 hours. After 24 hours it seems to run a little fast by about 2 to 5 miniutes. After 30 hours as it appears to wind down it start to slow down.

Now I'm not sure if I should just leave it alone or look into having an independent watch maker service it? There is a local guy here who will do a basic clean, oil, regulate and if requested polish for around $200. I would like the service, but I'm also afraid opening it may cause problems.

DadsWatch72 · 29 March 2010, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jnmarshall

Thank you all for the info. Especially to Adam that sold the watch and greekbum for the cool vintage catalog pics.
Just thought I'd post a quick update. I got the expected call from Rolex last week. Simply saying they are not able to service or repair the watch and that there was no charge.
So I drive down there thursday to pick it up. The nice lady at the desk has been playing with it and says she thinks they must have done something. For her the watch was working fine. When the watch was dropped off it was confirmed there was a winding issue. Sure enough over the weekend my wife and I are using it and it does seem fine!
Since picking it up here's what has happened. Winding the watch takes about 12 to 14 turns and then it stops, which is something it didn't do before. It runs for somewhere between 30-36 hours. It keeps good time for the first 24 hours. After 24 hours it seems to run a little fast by about 2 to 5 miniutes. After 30 hours as it appears to wind down it start to slow down.

Now I'm not sure if I should just leave it alone or look into having an independent watch maker service it? There is a local guy here who will do a basic clean, oil, regulate and if requested polish for around $200. I would like the service, but I'm also afraid opening it may cause problems.

There is a guy on this forum that is in the DFW area. His name is Ridley. I would definately send it to him and nobody else, period.

Robert Ridley
Certified Horologist Since 1977
bobridley@watchmakers.com

2807 Blackwood Drive
Arlington, TX 76013
Phone: 817.276.1400
Fax: 817.275.2466

jnmarshall · 29 March 2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

There is a guy on this forum that is in the DFW area. His name is Ridley. I would definately send it to him and nobody else, period.

Robert Ridley
Certified Horologist Since 1977
bobridley@watchmakers.com

2807 Blackwood Drive
Arlington, TX 76013
Phone: 817.276.1400
Fax: 817.275.2466

Thank you for the recommendation. I am familiar with his business, has excellent references here and elsewhere and he probably does great work. But sadly he is a little out of my price range for this item.

The question isn't where to go. The REAL question is to service or not?

20 March 2010, 05:49 AM	#1
jnmarshall "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 364	Need help identifying this Rolex. I just dropped off a watch at the RSC to see about getting the winding mechanism repaired. From the previous owner(here on TRF) it was thought to be a Cellini. It wasn't. In fact at one point I thought it might have been a fake they way they were fussing over it. It is a genuine Rolex. Model/Ref #9062/8 and Serial #US250***. In the end they said they can not estimate the repair immediately. They need a couple of weeks to work with the folks in switzerland and gave me a claim check. They said the estimate will cost $150 and the repairs if they can get the parts may be up to $1500!!! YIKES!!! I am hoping someone here might know more about this model. Trying to see if it's worth the repair costs, etc.... A picture of the watch from the sale forums here can be found at http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=119486 It's the smaller one with the heart shaped end links

20 March 2010, 06:14 AM	#2
achova "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Adam C. Location: W. Washington Watch: it vary. Posts: 626	John, Here are some photos of the watch to make it easier for people to respond. If you would like to return it, please let me know. I'll cover shipping both directions. __________________ GMT-Master 1675 - Explorers - Rolex & Tudor Submariners - Omega Speedmasters - etc.

20 March 2010, 10:18 AM	#3
adam78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,829	The watch may not be worth that much more than the cost of repair, then. Ladies' watches tend not to be terribly collectible. I would seriously consider finding a good independent watchmaker. __________________ Cheers, Adam

20 March 2010, 11:20 PM	#8
adam78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,829	From the styling it is probably '50s era, I think the Cellini line began a little later in the '60s, but Rolex probably carried over the Orchid name. Very nice watch! __________________ Cheers, Adam

20 March 2010, 10:20 AM	#4
1000ftSub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Orlando Posts: 2,471	O boy, that thing has some history to it! What year is that?

20 March 2010, 11:17 AM	#6
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	I have seen Orchids before, but not one with heart shaped lugs.

21 March 2010, 12:43 AM	#9
Tylden Reed TechXpert Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tylden Reed Location: Kent UK Watch: GMTII and more Posts: 175	As far a I remember Rolex used the name Orchid on gold ladies dress watches in the late '50s and early '60s. They didn't use the name Cellini for these peices. The movement is probably a cal. 282. Now obsolete it should still be able to find someone to service/repair it. The part that is most often replaced is the setting lever spring (bolt spring # 445 or ROLEX ref.2459) These break if not greased when serviced at 2 year approx intervals. There are still plenty of these watches in daily use. Some of us still have material - spares - too! Tylden Last edited by Tylden Reed; 21 March 2010 at 12:46 AM.. Reason: add word. underlined

21 March 2010, 01:19 AM	#10
jnmarshall "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 364	Heard back from an independent watchmaker that has service my watches before. The model he believes dates the watch back to a 1926-1934 with a probably date from the SN being 1933+

24 March 2010, 01:51 AM	#18
Tylden Reed TechXpert Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tylden Reed Location: Kent UK Watch: GMTII and more Posts: 175	I've just returned a watch to a customer from the same period but with an English 18ct case and bracelet hallmarked in London in 1959. Same basic case but with another design covering the 'ring ends'. Tylden.

29 March 2010, 01:42 AM	#23
jnmarshall "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 364	Thank you all for the info. Especially to Adam that sold the watch and greekbum for the cool vintage catalog pics. Just thought I'd post a quick update. I got the expected call from Rolex last week. Simply saying they are not able to service or repair the watch and that there was no charge. So I drive down there thursday to pick it up. The nice lady at the desk has been playing with it and says she thinks they must have done something. For her the watch was working fine. When the watch was dropped off it was confirmed there was a winding issue. Sure enough over the weekend my wife and I are using it and it does seem fine! Since picking it up here's what has happened. Winding the watch takes about 12 to 14 turns and then it stops, which is something it didn't do before. It runs for somewhere between 30-36 hours. It keeps good time for the first 24 hours. After 24 hours it seems to run a little fast by about 2 to 5 miniutes. After 30 hours as it appears to wind down it start to slow down. Now I'm not sure if I should just leave it alone or look into having an independent watch maker service it? There is a local guy here who will do a basic clean, oil, regulate and if requested polish for around $200. I would like the service, but I'm also afraid opening it may cause problems.

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