Is this a kissing 4 insert?

[007Sub]

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[omitohud]

I think it's mark II. Marcelo, am I right?

[TurboWatch]

service insert.

The correct MK I fat font has double the font thickness as that.

[swish77]

Hmmmm ... I don't think that's a kissing-4 insert. That looks like a thin-font insert. The kissing-4s are usually fat font, I think. Here's the insert on my 5512, which I believe might be a kissing-4. Maybe others can speak to this too.

[Vincent65]

Needs to be thicker font in the OP, I believe.

[omitohud]

I guess it's looks more like later insert. Here is my mark I.



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[marcello pisani]

service dial : look at the wide trapezoidal shape of the number " 4 " and the very large " 0 " ...

[CrownMe]

I always amazed of the knowledge in this forum. The slightest details determine which mark they are and I have the slightest idea what mine is on the sub? All I know it that it's a fat font.

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

I always amazed of the knowledge in this forum. The slightest details determine which mark they are and I have the slightest idea what mine is on the sub? All I know it that it's a fat font.

MK 2 on the Sub and it's a nice one!

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by nsumner

MK 2 on the Sub and it's a nice one!

Thanks Nathan. What years were mark 1 and mark 2 made?

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

Thanks Nathan. What years were mark 1 and mark 2 made?

I'm really not sure of the exact dates.

[007Sub]

Thanks for the feedback all...I'm not so sure that this is a service insert. I think it came from a watch in the mid 70s. It definitely doesn't have print as thin as the service inserts...

How many different Marks are there out there and might anyone have a side by side photo of the variations?

[007Sub]

Originally Posted by swish77

Hmmmm ... I don't think that's a kissing-4 insert. That looks like a thin-font insert. The kissing-4s are usually fat font, I think. Here's the insert on my 5512, which I believe might be a kissing-4. Maybe others can speak to this too.

Gorgeous watch and insert btw!

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by 007Sub

Thanks for the feedback all...I'm not so sure that this is a service insert. I think it came from a watch in the mid 70s. It definitely doesn't have print as thin as the service inserts...

How many different Marks are there out there and might anyone have a side by side photo of the variations?

It looks exactly like the service insert that was posted on here to me.

[Puffy]

nope

this is a kissing 4

[Frogman4me]

For the Kissing 4 the font should be "fat" and the 4 and 0 should pretty much be touching each other.

[marcello pisani]

series of service inserts : the one on the left has numbers with matt paint , the other has a more " glossy " paint ( as in the insert posted by 007sub ) ; fonts are the very same.

[Frogman4me]

Originally Posted by swish77

Hmmmm ... I don't think that's a kissing-4 insert. That looks like a thin-font insert. The kissing-4s are usually fat font, I think. Here's the insert on my 5512, which I believe might be a kissing-4. Maybe others can speak to this too.

That one is a "long 5" insert

[Vincent65]

Here are the two I have; the first, very black one is the original fat-font insert which came on the 'RED' 1680 (I/70), and the faded one looks like the exact same font and period to me, and also originally came from a 1680.

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by omitohud

I guess it's looks more like later insert. Here is my mark I.

Gorgeous!

[omitohud]

Txs Vince, so r ur inserts. Those r very nice.

I think Marcelo should do a complete article on the different periods of insert. He is so good.

[linesiders]

I think the inserts are all over the place. While I am guilty of using the "MK" designation more than I should there seems to be occasionally variants popping up from time to time that would need to insert the decimal system to fit in the existing MK naming convention ;)

"Ahh, this is a kissing 4 MK2.25 insert ..."

There was a good conversation of another variation of the long 5 on VRF the other day for example.

And this is just subs

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by linesiders

I think the inserts are all over the place. While I am guilty of using the "MK" designation more than I should there seems to be occasionally variants popping up from time to time that would need to insert the decimal system to fit in the existing MK naming convention ;)

"Ahh, this is a kissing 4 MK2.25 insert ..."

There was a good conversation of another variation of the long 5 on VRF the other day for example.

And this is just subs

i agree. i just wish there was some kind of master list that shows all inserts, dials, parts etc and the dates they were made. would make comparing these parts much easier.

[marcello pisani]

Originally Posted by linesiders

I think the inserts are all over the place. While I am guilty of using the "MK" designation more than I should there seems to be occasionally variants popping up from time to time that would need to insert the decimal system to fit in the existing MK naming convention ;)

"Ahh, this is a kissing 4 MK2.25 insert ..."

There was a good conversation of another variation of the long 5 on VRF the other day for example.

And this is just subs

there are in fact very small variations that could be defined for ex. as mk2-1 or mk2-2.
moreover there is also the big problem of the " overlap " : the " long 5 " has been certainly used as pristine equipment from the end of the 50s up to the very late 60s
( or according to some collectors even up to the end of the 60s ) so with an overlap at the beginning with mk1 and then with mk2.

[CrownMe]

heres a better shot of my FF insert. I have been looking for a nice dark black Fat font insert to add to the collection as well. They have not been easy to find thats for sure

[007Sub]

This thread has been really helpful. Thanks everyone for your photos and knowledge base! Indeed it seems that one I have there is a service insert. But usually the 4s don't touch on those though no? Strange that this one looks like it does...


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[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by 007Sub

This thread has been really helpful. Thanks everyone for your photos and knowledge base! Indeed it seems that one I have there is a service insert. But usually the 4s don't touch on those though no? Strange that this one looks like it does...


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It's not actually touching it. You can see a very tiny line between them....just like mine.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

heres a better shot of my FF insert. I have been looking for a nice dark black Fat font insert to add to the collection as well. They have not been easy to find thats for sure

beautiful watch mate. amazing RED

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by SubKing

beautiful watch mate. amazing RED

thanks my friend......appreciate that