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RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 08:42 PM

Hi everyone! My names Jack, I’m new to here but I have a quick question that I hope someone will be able to help me out with...
Basically I’m going to look at a Datejust 36mm (16233) E series, the watch looks fine everything looks in order I’m just struck by the papers it comes with.
The seller is saying they are Japanese papers so I tried to do a bit of research but couldn’t find much about it.
I’m going to add a picture of them on here and I’d appreciate any help.
Thank you!!

padi56 · 9 December 2018, 08:47 PM

The seller is correct they are just the warranty paper but printed in Japanese and now just a outdated warranty paper the other is a RSC service paper.

Onikage · 9 December 2018, 08:49 PM

Looks like Japanese papers to me.

Brew · 9 December 2018, 08:55 PM

Welcome. I'm going to guess that the top pic is a guarantee that came with the watch; which was later serviced in '98, as evidenced by the receipt.

Shamorai · 9 December 2018, 09:05 PM

It is Japanese and all sounds natural/authentic.
The phone numbers for the stores in different cities on the repair page are correct for that time. (An extra digit was added soon after).
The store and location for the purchase are blacked out.
The warranty was for two years and only within Japan.

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 09:07 PM

Amazing! So you’d say I have nothing to worry about?
And these are as good as any other papers?
Thank you all so much for you fast responses!

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 09:08 PM

Or is it just a warranty paper and not a authenticity paper?

Shamorai · 9 December 2018, 09:19 PM

I would feel safe with it.
I just called the first number (Tokyo) on the repair sheet. It’s after hours now but the answer machine greeting was ‘Japan Rolex’, and then gave opening hours.

Onikage · 9 December 2018, 09:21 PM

Rolex doesn't do certificates of authenticity. Where's the watch? That's the most important thing - Let's see that puppy!

padi56 · 9 December 2018, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RealtimeCo

Amazing! So you’d say I have nothing to worry about?
And these are as good as any other papers?
Thank you all so much for you fast responses!

The so called papers are nothing more than a now outdated warranty just like you get with everyday products like say a TV.And no matter what country or language the warranty is written they all come from one place Switzerland,always buy the seller first and not bits of paper.

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

Rolex doesn't do certificates of authenticity. Where's the watch? That's the most important thing - Let's see that puppy!

I’m trying to upload but it keeps saying the file is to big, so I’m having a bit of trouble!

Onikage · 9 December 2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RealtimeCo

I’m trying to upload but it keeps saying the file is to big, so I’m having a bit of trouble!

Hear ya. I can't post anything anymore either. :(

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

Hear ya. I can't post anything anymore either. :(

And back to your last reply..
This is all a bit knew to me and I’ve always thought that the certificate you get
When you buy a Rolex is to prove its authenticity? Is that not the case?

Onikage · 9 December 2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RealtimeCo

And back to your last reply..
This is all a bit knew to me and I’ve always thought that the certificate you get
When you buy a Rolex is to prove its authenticity? Is that not the case?

It's provenance sure and nice to have. It's also easy to fake. And it's quite possible the papers are real but the watch is fake, or a miss mash of parts. All I'd do is check the serial on the watch matches the paper (you'll have to remove the bracelet). Post pics if you can and enjoy. If anything looks off about the watch you'll be informed. We're quite an eagle-eyed bunch.

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

It's provenance sure and nice to have. It's also easy to fake. And it's quite possible the papers are real but the watch is fake, or a miss mash of parts. All I'd do is check the serial on the watch matches the paper (you'll have to remove the bracelet). Post pics if you can and enjoy. If anything looks off about the watch you'll be informed. We're quite an eagle-eyed bunch.

Okay, I learnt something new today! Thank you all so much for the help, I’m going to keep trying to post a picture of said watch and let you all have a look!

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onikage

It's provenance sure and nice to have. It's also easy to fake. And it's quite possible the papers are real but the watch is fake, or a miss mash of parts. All I'd do is check the serial on the watch matches the paper (you'll have to remove the bracelet). Post pics if you can and enjoy. If anything looks off about the watch you'll be informed. We're quite an eagle-eyed bunch.

I’ve managed to upload a couple of pictures, let me know what you think,
Thank you!

padi56 · 9 December 2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

Hear ya. I can't post anything anymore either. :(

Cannot understand why posting pictures is very very simple,if picture is on computer just open picture with say paint.Then resize to around 1000X1000 pixels then click save,or join a free hosting site like Imur upload picture they will resize it then just copy the forum code img code and post in the reply box again very simple to do.Plus there are hundreds of free apps for every device to resize any picture format again all very simple to use.

Onikage · 9 December 2018, 10:24 PM

I'd wear it. Very nice.

Onikage · 9 December 2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Cannot understand why posting pictures is very very simple,if picture is on computer just open picture with say paint.Then resize to around 1000X1000 pixels then click save,or join a free hosting site like Imur upload picture they will resize it then just copy the forum code img code and post in the reply box again very simple to do.Plus there are hundreds of free apps for every device to resize any picture format again all very simple to use.

I'm just lazy. Will do in future.

RealtimeCo · 9 December 2018, 10:26 PM

Serial number is the same as what’s on the papers, so I think I’m going to go for it. The watch is in good condition as well.

RX0 · 9 December 2018, 10:31 PM

Those paper looks identical to my submariner paper. The top paper was the warranty paper.
The bottom paper is the receipt for servicing the watch.

RealtimeCo · 10 December 2018, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RX0

Those paper looks identical to my submariner paper. The top paper was the warranty paper.
The bottom paper is the receipt for servicing the watch.

Do you have a picture of them please???

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9 December 2018, 08:49 PM	#3
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,758	Looks like Japanese papers to me. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

9 December 2018, 09:21 PM	#9
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,758	Rolex doesn't do certificates of authenticity. Where's the watch? That's the most important thing - Let's see that puppy! __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

9 December 2018, 10:24 PM	#18
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,758	I'd wear it. Very nice. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

9 December 2018, 08:55 PM	#4
Brew "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Larry Location: Finger Lakes Posts: 6,007	Welcome. I'm going to guess that the top pic is a guarantee that came with the watch; which was later serviced in '98, as evidenced by the receipt.

9 December 2018, 09:05 PM	#5
Shamorai "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Sydney Watch: 16523, 116610LV Posts: 762	It is Japanese and all sounds natural/authentic. The phone numbers for the stores in different cities on the repair page are correct for that time. (An extra digit was added soon after). The store and location for the purchase are blacked out. The warranty was for two years and only within Japan.

9 December 2018, 09:07 PM	#6
RealtimeCo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: London Posts: 15	Amazing! So you’d say I have nothing to worry about? And these are as good as any other papers? Thank you all so much for you fast responses!

9 December 2018, 09:08 PM	#7
RealtimeCo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: London Posts: 15	Or is it just a warranty paper and not a authenticity paper?

9 December 2018, 09:19 PM	#8
Shamorai "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Sydney Watch: 16523, 116610LV Posts: 762	I would feel safe with it. I just called the first number (Tokyo) on the repair sheet. It’s after hours now but the answer machine greeting was ‘Japan Rolex’, and then gave opening hours.

9 December 2018, 10:26 PM	#20
RealtimeCo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: London Posts: 15	Serial number is the same as what’s on the papers, so I think I’m going to go for it. The watch is in good condition as well.

9 December 2018, 10:31 PM	#21
RX0 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: NY Posts: 216	Those paper looks identical to my submariner paper. The top paper was the warranty paper. The bottom paper is the receipt for servicing the watch.

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