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Old 22 November 2018, 09:19 AM   #31
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LMAO and what level is that? What can you objectively state is better on the 5711 than the RO? Besides finishing which can be arguable among both, what else?
AP restricting distribution of the 15400, which has caused a larger backlog and more demand for the 5711
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Old 22 November 2018, 09:49 AM   #32
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Many do not like the size of the 15400; it looks humungous on a lot of wrists . A new 39mm RO would be a huge seller too ; the Jumbo is very pricey and almost impossible to get, so wouldn't it make sense for AP to introduce a new , entry-level 39mm RO with better proportions than the former 39mm 15300 ?
I feel like the complaints are mainly from WIS forums like this--not in the real world. Am I the only one?
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Old 22 November 2018, 10:09 AM   #33
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I feel like the complaints are mainly from WIS forums like this--not in the real world. Am I the only one?
You're probably right - I think the WIS world has a tendency to prefer smaller watches, or at least at a minimum have more people who like small watches than the general public.
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Old 22 November 2018, 02:25 PM   #34
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From the business development point of view, based on the current huge demand (at least in Asia), I don't think AP will discontinue 15400.
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Old 22 November 2018, 06:58 PM   #35
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AP restricting distribution of the 15400, which has caused a larger backlog and more demand for the 5711
With producing 40k watches per year how much more can AP restrict supply, given Patek produce 60k and Rolex knock out 1mil.

I’m happy with the 15400 layout and feel it’s still market relevant where as with the Nautilus I do feel they need to address the clasp design which they clearly agree with given the new design used on the PC I just hope this filters down.
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Old 23 November 2018, 03:12 AM   #36
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With producing 40k watches per year how much more can AP restrict supply, given Patek produce 60k and Rolex knock out 1mil.

I’m happy with the 15400 layout and feel it’s still market relevant where as with the Nautilus I do feel they need to address the clasp design which they clearly agree with given the new design used on the PC I just hope this filters down.
What is the "PC" Patek? Curious to see the new clasp.
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Old 23 November 2018, 03:39 AM   #37
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What is the "PC" Patek? Curious to see the new clasp.
Perpetual Calendar (PC).. AP decided to install a new clasp on it.
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Old 23 November 2018, 03:44 AM   #38
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What is the "PC" Patek? Curious to see the new clasp.
The Nautilus 5740 has a new clasp design which IMO is far superior to the previous design found on the rest of the range.

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Perpetual Calendar (PC).. AP decided to install a new clasp on it.
Yes PC is perpetual calendar but I was referring to the Patek I’ve mentioned above!

The clasp variation on the RO PC Ce is due to manufacturing constraints of the ceramic similar to the need for the bracelet pins in every link.
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Old 23 November 2018, 04:02 AM   #39
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I feel like the complaints are mainly from WIS forums like this--not in the real world. Am I the only one?

Well, I have a number of watches larger than 41mm and they look great on wrist , but the 15400 wears much larger and just looks huge . I went to an AP AD wanting to buy a 15400 . He had one in stock , but said the watch looked too big on my wrist and dissuaded me from purchasing it. He also had a 37mm RO , which he said looked too small and admitted it was really a ladies watch , although it sells well to men in the Asian market .
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Old 23 November 2018, 05:59 AM   #40
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AP restricting distribution of the 15400, which has caused a larger backlog and more demand for the 5711
I think it's been far more the other way around, the lack of any sports PPs have driven many people over to AP and now AP are capitalising on the PP model by restricting and making it known they are restricting release of the ROs too and driving resale prices up.

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I feel like the complaints are mainly from WIS forums like this--not in the real world. Am I the only one?
Most customers of AP are WIS or are very rich or famous, but then almost all the rich and famous are now on Social Media where WIS and WIS wannabes again are influential. It's a smaller world all the time.
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Old 23 November 2018, 06:03 AM   #41
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What is the "PC" Patek? Curious to see the new clasp.
Like the RO and Aquanaut it has the push button technology for ease of opening, unlike the other Nautiluses which have the old tear your nail off technology.
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Old 25 November 2018, 10:29 AM   #42
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Well, I have a number of watches larger than 41mm and they look great on wrist , but the 15400 wears much larger and just looks huge . I went to an AP AD wanting to buy a 15400 . He had one in stock , but said the watch looked too big on my wrist and dissuaded me from purchasing it. He also had a 37mm RO , which he said looked too small and admitted it was really a ladies watch , although it sells well to men in the Asian market .
LOL most men in Asia prefer big watches
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Old 25 November 2018, 06:50 PM   #43
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LOL most men in Asia prefer big watches
Depends on a country. South East Asia (Singapore, HK, Indonesia, Malaysia etc.) are def in that category - generally smaller males with generally super-sized watches, well at lest it had been that way until prob mid next year where I started to noticed more and more appropriately sized timepieces and less of those 47+mm monstrosities, although it is far from over.

Japan, on the other hand, has always been right up there with the refined taste and very discerning buyers so i'd hardly ever see another over 40mm there, especially in the premium category.

I haven't been to China enough to even generalise - I feel they buy pretty much anything there, all shapes all sizes all brands. Just an gigantic market, that is.
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Old 27 November 2018, 08:39 AM   #44
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I think it us WIS on the forums and North America that prefer a smaller watch. In no way is the market as a whole supports that theory. I just returned from Asia and frankly everything is big or to us over-sized. It's like the bigger, the better philosophy. When you have Patek/Rolex/IWC exclusive dealers (not just boutiques) across the street from each other and then down street there is another and again in the mall behind that is another for a market like Hong Kong I say the North American demand, wants and/or opinions are a bit ignored.

Everywhere I walk I see tons large watches from AP, Rolex Deep Seas, Big Pilots, Hublots, etc. Pre-owned or independent watch stores stock nothing but large watches it's a pretty good indication of what the market wants...

I didn't even see 1 - 15400ST available as each store says they sell out as soon as it hits the display case.
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Old 30 November 2018, 07:35 PM   #45
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You guys are in for the big surprise ;) wait and see.....
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Old 4 December 2018, 09:27 AM   #46
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You guys are in for the big surprise ;) wait and see.....
Although at the time of this thread, I thought it was unreal, but seems like 15400 has actually been discontinued now?
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Old 4 December 2018, 10:05 AM   #47
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Although at the time of this thread, I thought it was unreal, but seems like 15400 has actually been discontinued now?
Hi based on what??AD are taking orders for delivery early next year.
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Old 4 December 2018, 10:08 AM   #48
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Odd considering there was a new 41mm RO model at Le Brassus last month ready for SIHH 19
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Old 4 December 2018, 11:18 AM   #49
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Like the RO and Aquanaut it has the push button technology for ease of opening, unlike the other Nautiluses which have the old tear your nail off technology.


I’m glad I’m not the only one who struggles with that clasp
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Old 4 December 2018, 11:20 AM   #50
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Odd considering there was a new 41mm RO model at Le Brassus last month ready for SIHH 19
Awesome. I’m waiting with bated breath!
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Old 5 December 2018, 01:13 AM   #51
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Odd considering there was a new 41mm RO model at Le Brassus last month ready for SIHH 19
Any more info about this? I did some quick googling and couldn't find anything
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Old 5 December 2018, 01:36 AM   #52
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Any more info about this? I did some quick googling and couldn't find anything
It was just a slight variation on a current 41mm RO
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Old 5 December 2018, 01:39 AM   #53
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It was just a slight variation on a current 41mm RO
Mind to share links ?
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Old 5 December 2018, 03:36 AM   #54
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Me neither but I would like to know more about this.
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Old 5 December 2018, 03:47 AM   #55
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Highly doubt you’ll find any info as it’s most likely a new SIHH19 release.

Not willing to go any further then that as I was only privy to it while on a factory tour, and what happens on tour stays on tour
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Old 5 December 2018, 06:11 AM   #56
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Highly doubt you’ll find any info as it’s most likely a new SIHH19 release.

Not willing to go any further then that as I was only privy to it while on a factory tour, and what happens on tour stays on tour
Company man now.
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Just not one to on my doorstep
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Old 5 December 2018, 07:04 AM   #58
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It was just a slight variation on a current 41mm RO
To be clearer, it was a slight variation on a single RO model not the entire range. The 41mm case is still the same.

Stop winding everyone up Sam !
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To be clearer, it was a slight variation on a single RO model not the entire range. The 41mm case is still the same.

Stop winding everyone up Sam !
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My comment was in regards to the posts #45 & #46 find it odd if AP are to replace the 41mm RO design if they are still producing more variants of the current model
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Old 5 December 2018, 07:16 AM   #60
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I was told that the reference number 15400 will be replaced by a new reference number (i know it but i am not sure if i can say it). Also the design will slightly change but they are not stopping the 41 mm case.
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