Help in Buying a GMT Pepsi, Master or Master II

[russ86]

I want to purchase a GMT Pepsi watch
I am in between Master 16700 and Master II 16710
Can you help me pick between 2 and what are the fundamental differences.

Also, 16700 goes as Master II but on a basil it just says Master, you know why?

Price points are:
16700 -> $9,500-$10,000
16710 -> $8,500-$9,500

Thank you.

[lguevara91]

Difference is the -6700 is a gmt master and the 16710 is a gmt master II. I’d go with the 16710. Orrrrrrrr get on the waitlist for the SS BLRO ������

[Highjinx]

There are plenty of threads and websites you could find for the answer with a quick google mate. Essentially the 16710 lacks the quick set date but gets a quick adjust hour hand for travel, and is more recent.

[matthurley]

The 16700 is rarer so might be worth more longer term and has quickset date

[glassdial]

I would go for the 16710, a most versatile watch with the ability to switch between the 3 bezels. Its also appreciating rapidly and looks amazing.

[springer]

Originally Posted by ruslan1987

I want to purchase a GMT Pepsi watch
I am in between Master 16700 and Master II 16710
Can you help me pick between 2 and what are the fundamental differences.

Also, 16700 goes as Master II but on a basil it just says Master, you know why?

Price points are:
16700 -> $9,500-$10,000
16710 -> $8,500-$9,500

Thank you.

Try the Rolex Reference Library here on the forum. There are complete threads there on the 16700 and other GMT models. Here is one I put together on the various GMT models and a couple other threads regarding the 16700 and 16710 to get you started.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=568151

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=31386

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=45269

[Stevec14]

I think they are both great. I have the 16710 and I find the quick hour jumping great for travelling but reality is you can’t really go wrong with either.

A pic of my 2006 16710 to assist!




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[CPRWATCH]

You can't go wrong with either the 16700 or 16710, as both references are solid . Both have slight advantages over each other as the 16710 has the quickest hour hand, & the 16700 has the quickest date so it comes down to personal choice . Also both watches are versatile as you can change the bezel inserts to suit, & also interchange the bracelets from oyster to jubilee or vice versa . But I would highly recommend buying the one that is in the best condition you can find for your budget, as the best condition watches will always command the best premium . There's already been a picture posted of a 16710 on a oyster bracelet, so to balance the thread out here's a picture of my 1999 16700 Swiss only dial on a jubilee bracelet

[ras47]

Outwardly the two references are nearly identical. For daily wear, I recommend the newer and less collectible 16710. Save the $1000 on the 16710 vs the 16700 and enjoy the creamy BLRO goodness.

[4BostonB]

I'd go with the Master II, even though I prefer the aesthetics of the 16700. The 16700 doesn't have the quickset hour hand - the GMT hand is locked to the same time as the hour hand, so your only way to look at a different time zone is by using the bezel. That's the best feature of the watch, by far, so I'd go function > form in this case since the appearances are so similar.

Just keep in mind that for the same price, you can get a brand new GMT LN or BLNR from an AD if you're willing to wait. Hell you don't even need to wait - DavidSW currently has a black bezel GMT in unworn condition for less than MSRP. Before I bought my watch, I was thinking of getting a previous-gen Explorer II and the bracelet and finish of the newer models sold me on buying new (combined with the fact that I plan to keep the watch forever)

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...gmt-master-ii/

[dafuture]

Most people prefer the 16710 for its version of the GMT function, which allows you to show 3 different time zones. The 16700 only shows 2 time zones, but does have a quickset date, which the 16710 does not. Otherwise, they are very similar watches.

I personally prefer the 16700 for the quickset date, but that's just me. It's personal preference otherwise.

[wcs23]

Is there any substantive difference in the appearance? (case or lug size, bezel width, etc.) Or only slight dial variations?

[ras47]

Originally Posted by wcs23

Is there any substantive difference in the appearance? (case or lug size, bezel width, etc.) Or only slight dial variations?

Just slight dial variations as far as I can tell. If there are any other differences they are so minor I don’t see them. You naturally get more patina with older watches, but I do not like patina unless it’s MY patina from years of MY daily wear. Faded bezel inserts make a watch more valuable to collectors as a rule, but I prefer shiny and new.

[Recaro18]

GMT II hands down!!

[springer]

Originally Posted by ruslan1987

I want to purchase a GMT Pepsi watch
I am in between Master 16700 and Master II 16710
Can you help me pick between 2 and what are the fundamental differences.

Also, 16700 goes as Master II but on a basil it just says Master, you know why?

Price points are:
16700 -> $9,500-$10,000
16710 -> $8,500-$9,500

Thank you.

Forgot to mention my preference in my last post but everything being equal between two examples, the quick-set 16700 is my preference.

[garethevans]

Both great watches, but personally I'd go for the 16710.

Absolute classic, will only appreciate in value - wish I'd bought one a few years ago!

[importstunna]

Originally Posted by dafuture

Most people prefer the 16710 for its version of the GMT function, which allows you to show 3 different time zones. The 16700 only shows 2 time zones, but does have a quickset date, which the 16710 does not. Otherwise, they are very similar watches.

I personally prefer the 16700 for the quickset date, but that's just me. It's personal preference otherwise.

As I am doing some research between 16710 vs 16700, I don't understand why 16700 only shows 2 time zones. Can someone elaborate that to me a little? Looks to be everything appears to be the same? Is the bezel not rotatable in the 16700? Thanks all.

[importstunna]

^1 think I figured it out finally. The 16700's hour hand isn't independent from the GMT hand, so it's only possible to have 2 timezones with the hour hand + moving of the bezel to line up a second timezone with the GMT hand. Is this correct?

It was confusing to me as I own a 16570 now with a independent hour hand from the GMT hand, and didn't know there was a different design that way. Also understood that 16700 also has a quick date set where as 16710 needs to be changed via the hour hand similar to my 16570.

Thanks!

[strafer_kid]

Originally Posted by CPRWATCH

You can't go wrong with either the 16700 or 16710, as both references are solid . Both have slight advantages over each other as the 16710 has the quickest hour hand, & the 16700 has the quickest date so it comes down to personal choice . Also both watches are versatile as you can change the bezel inserts to suit, & also interchange the bracelets from oyster to jubilee or vice versa . But I would highly recommend buying the one that is in the best condition you can find for your budget, as the best condition watches will always command the best premium . There's already been a picture posted of a 16710 on a oyster bracelet, so to balance the thread out here's a picture of my 1999 16700 Swiss only dial on a jubilee bracelet

Great advice....both superb watches!

[faimag]

The main difference in the movement is the quick date setting (16700) vs the jumping hour hand (16710). Other than that they are pretty much identical in versatility, i.e. both can get the same three bezel inserts; can sit on the oyster or the jubilee bracelets, etc.


One more difference is when it comes to the case: the 16700 only came with lug holes; the 16710 was produced for several more years so it came with lug holes (up to 2002) and no-holes (after 2002 and until 2007).

As far as dials go, the vast majority of 16700s are tritium T<25, and a few are SWISS. The 16710 also came with SWISS MADE.

[Onequik135i]

Rolex stopped production of lug holes on 2003 “K” 16710’s. 2003 was also the first year of the laser etched crown in the sapphire glass too. I did a bunch or research myself on here before purchasing a 2003 Pepsi, either way 16700/16710 you can’t go wrong.

[DavidUK]

Originally Posted by lguevara91

Orrrrrrrr get on the waitlist for the SS BLRO ������

I think the OP wants a classy classic GMT, not a garish modern slant on one?