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Old 27 February 2010, 11:39 AM   #1
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Fake Dial on this GMT???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-GMT-MASTER...item3efd242423

The markers look too close to the rail, versus the documented originals (to me, that is).
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Old 27 February 2010, 12:55 PM   #2
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I would get hold of either Steve Mulholland our in house vintage guru or, TempoKing. They would be able to answer that question.
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Old 27 February 2010, 01:08 PM   #3
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If it is real, they either dont know what they have, or hope a bidding war takes place. I dont have the qualifications to make that call on authenticity.
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Old 27 February 2010, 02:16 PM   #4
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Where's buddy Orchi?
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Old 27 February 2010, 02:32 PM   #5
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The dial appears to be a very early gilt, chapter ring dial. Marked "Swiss" at the bottom as it should be. The pics aren't the best, but it looks original. The crowns weren't very distinct on this dial. The possibility exists that it is a re-dial as the photos aren't the best quality.
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Old 27 February 2010, 03:15 PM   #6
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Looks good to me.
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Old 27 February 2010, 06:02 PM   #7
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first the dial is older then the case. the case is a gilt era
case, not a gilt chapter ring occ dial case.

also the 24hr hand is also not correct for that
dial.

next the watch is not a 1960 watch. leave those pubished
sheets written by the internet scholars alone. you will get bit.
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Old 27 February 2010, 09:00 PM   #8
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next the watch is not a 1960 watch. leave those pubished
sheets written by the internet scholars alone. you will get bit.
No opinion about the watch but I agree with the age as posted by the seller.

Do you have a link to your serial list and references where you got your numbers?
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:06 PM   #9
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:21 PM   #10
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:27 PM   #11
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The hands are wrong, of course.

The case and dial do not match, of course. The correct case for an OCC gmt dial would have pointed crown guards.

The dial looked fake to me for two reasons, only going by the not-so-clear pictures of the Ebay listing:

1) The luminous markings on the Ebay dial seem to be too close to the rail than true examples of OCC dials I see posted on the internet from esteemed experts.

2) The "O" in "ROLEX" appears more rounded in the Ebay pic vs. the more squared-shaped "O" from a true example. Also, the printing of "ROLEX" appears heavier in the Ebay pic than the more delicate printing in a true example.

Here is a true example:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+GMT+Gilt+Dial

But I am a newbie, and am seeking to learn.
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:31 PM   #12
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To clarify the above comment, I meant that the opening in the "O" in "ROLEX" is more square-shaped in a true OCC dial than the more circular opening in the "O" that I see in the Ebay pic.
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:42 PM   #13
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The hands are wrong, of course.

The case and dial do not match, of course. The correct case for an OCC gmt dial would have pointed crown guards.

The dial looked fake to me for two reasons, only going by the not-so-clear pictures of the Ebay listing:

1) The luminous markings on the Ebay dial seem to be too close to the rail than true examples of OCC dials I see posted on the internet from esteemed experts.

2) The "O" in "ROLEX" appears more rounded in the Ebay pic vs. the more squared-shaped "O" from a true example. Also, the printing of "ROLEX" appears heavier in the Ebay pic than the more delicate printing in a true example.

Here is a true example:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+GMT+Gilt+Dial

But I am a newbie, and am seeking to learn.
Check your p/m box !
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:44 PM   #14
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How funny ............

That thread post was by our good friend ORCHI
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Old 27 February 2010, 11:46 PM   #15
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What we have .................

Is, a gray area re seller that got stuck with a true "pound puppy" of a watch and is now trying to rid himself of it.
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Old 28 February 2010, 01:42 AM   #16
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Also, the alignment of "GMT-MASTER" looks too far left of "OFFICIALLY" on the Ebay dial, compared to the true examples. Notice the alignment of the "G" with the first "F", and the "M" straddles the "I" in the Ebay example, versus being almost aligned in the true example.
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Old 28 February 2010, 03:20 AM   #17
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An odd one. Serial should date it to 1960 but that age should have PCGs. Wonder if it has the 1565 or 1575. A bit too confused even to base a rebuild (back to how it "should" be) on i think.
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Old 28 February 2010, 03:50 AM   #18
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Err buddy TTG...thanks for uploading the pic...





The Dial shown in the picture...looks to be a REDONE Dial...
NOT by Rolex...originally.

Note: 1.40mil case series Rolex 1675 does NOT have PCG or Pointy Crown Guards...
The crown guards have rounded ends...

This here is a related to a small project that Orchi has initiated in VRF...recently...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...ct+LIST.%2B%2B

Hopes the above helps...
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Old 28 February 2010, 06:15 AM   #19
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The expert has spoken! FAKE dial! Thank you Orchi.
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Old 28 February 2010, 11:01 AM   #20
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Well, I should have looked at this a little more, instead of focusing on the dial. There is much more going on here than a questionable dial. I disagree with my friend Orchi on the dial being a redial - based on the pics. It might be, but I don't see how you could be 100%.

The case is incorrect and should have the pointed crown guards if it is circa 1960 - which it isn't based on the incorrect crown guards. The serial number is much later vintage and does not match the dial. Actually, I'm not sure what is going on with this GMT, but I wouldn't buy it for my GMT collection.

I see there have been much interest here in this GMT. Nice to see that the watchout section has some quick studies.

And to my learned friend Orchi, where the hell have you been lately?
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Old 28 February 2010, 02:05 PM   #21
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Err buddy TTG...thanks for uploading the pic...





The Dial shown in the picture...looks to be a REDONE Dial...
NOT by Rolex...originally.

Note: 1.40mil case series Rolex 1675 does NOT have PCG or Pointy Crown Guards...
The crown guards have rounded ends...

This here is a related to a small project that Orchi has initiated in VRF...recently...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...ct+LIST.%2B%2B

Hopes the above helps...
I agree with you buddy Orchi... the dial looks redone. A close up photo of the dial would confirm this....
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