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JXD2015 · 4 June 2018, 03:34 AM

I recently inherited a GMT Master II from my grandfather. I went to an AD to authenticate the watch and they said everything checks out. They gave me the model # 16700 and the serial # R663698. How do I use these numbers to do further research?
Also what condition is the watch in? Would you gentlemen and women recomend me service the timepiece?
Thank you!
JXD

swils8610 · 4 June 2018, 09:41 AM

The first thing I would do is remove the serial number from your post.

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MonsterSS · 4 June 2018, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by swils8610

The first thing I would do is remove the serial number from your post.

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+1 there... then, holler at the Rolex Service Center and get it serviced. Afterwards, it will run like new. Depending on your taste, you can tell them not to replace\refinish the bezel and case

BillA · 4 June 2018, 09:46 AM

I vote for a new bezel and crystal

Art 1 · 4 June 2018, 09:51 AM

You have a nice watch. I would wear it as is.

Urosfan · 4 June 2018, 09:54 AM

Beautiful peice like others said remove serial number from post send for service then enjoy that lovely time peice

Etschell · 4 June 2018, 10:08 AM

date font and lec on crystal give me pause.

kokota · 4 June 2018, 10:12 AM

Something very wrong with that “inherited” watch.

MonsterSS · 4 June 2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Etschell

date font and lec on crystal give me pause.

Yes your right. The “3” in the date wheel looks odd.

Tools · 4 June 2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JXD2015

I recently inherited a GMT Master II from my grandfather. I went to an AD to authenticate the watch and they said everything checks out. They gave me the model # 16700 and the serial # R663698. How do I use these numbers to do further research?
Also what condition is the watch in? Would you gentlemen and women recomend me service the timepiece?
Thank you!
JXD

They are giving you bogus information, or you are spoofing the Forum.

A 16700 is a GMT Master, and your dial says GMT Master II - two different watches. Crown on the crystal didn't come around until after 2000.

R serials were originally seen in 1987. If it is an original GMT Master II, have it cleaned up a bit and wear it.

77T · 4 June 2018, 10:43 AM

Not only that Larry, I see no lug holes on that case so couldn’t be R vintage.

A clean R s/n would look like this one:

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Chewbacca · 4 June 2018, 10:50 AM

i'm flying to houston tomorrow and selling all my invictas (err, rolexeses, ya, rolexeses) to this AD.

Rsubnodate · 4 June 2018, 11:08 AM

Anyone notice the crown on the 3rd pic?

J_1964 · 4 June 2018, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsubnodate

Anyone notice the crown on the 3rd pic?

Yep, No Coronet OR Bar Underline. Fake Crown or the Coronet Was Polished Into Oblivion, which I Doubt because the rest of the watch isn't recently polished.

siempreko · 4 June 2018, 11:30 AM

Houston, we have a problem!

Not everything is checking out... something ain’t right here...

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swatty · 4 June 2018, 11:34 AM

Doesn't look good to me,

Tools · 4 June 2018, 02:25 PM

After another quick look, I'm gonna say that the hand-stack is wrong and the plots look too big..

I'm calling fake barring further information.

junamuan · 4 June 2018, 02:54 PM

I noticed threads like this, ie 'inherited a Rolex from my grandfather/Aunt etc', without accompanied reasonable feel-good stories behind the watch, usually comes from members with a couple of posts.

It's either çoincidence or just trying to fish for ...

MILGAUSS88 · 4 June 2018, 02:59 PM

"Laser" engraved coronet on crystal is fake as well.

MinMay · 4 June 2018, 03:19 PM

Looks Fake. Which AD did you go to?

freefly · 4 June 2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

I'm calling fake barring further information.

Yup, the watch is garbage. That darn counterfeit-bequeathing grandfather strikes again!

GradyPhilpott · 4 June 2018, 03:48 PM

It is my humble judgement that the whole watch is 100% fake.

Torque Time · 4 June 2018, 03:58 PM

I love it as is. You know the pedigree and that is the coolest part. I’d wear as is and if asked about condition, tell everyone it was G-fathers.

If you chose to service and replace crystal/bezel, I’d save original. Also be prepared to have Lume updates by RSC.

Enjoy that great piece!

RonSwanson · 4 June 2018, 05:34 PM

No lug holes, incorrect handstack, fake crystal for sure, unsigned crown, date wheel wrong, lume way to white for supposed vintage.

If true, I'm sorry for you loss, but this piece is either highly frankensteined, or completely fake.

crowncollection · 4 June 2018, 09:01 PM

no good imho

KLEJNOT_NILU · 4 June 2018, 11:41 PM

Maybe you got lucky and theres an original movement inside. Other than that it's frankenwatch at best

/edit oh, the date font is way off, so the movement is probably fake too. Nothing fits in this watch. It should end up in trash

Uhtred59 · 5 June 2018, 02:13 AM

The infamous 2 posters.

123Blueface · 5 June 2018, 04:10 AM

Good try.

GLADIATOR · 5 June 2018, 04:23 AM

Glad others stepped in. Nothing looked genuine on this piece.
R serial number versus a much later incorrect LEC!

FAKE

MinMay · 5 June 2018, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by junamuan

I noticed threads like this, ie 'inherited a Rolex from my grandfather/Aunt etc', without accompanied reasonable feel-good stories behind the watch, usually comes from members with a couple of posts.

It's either çoincidence or just trying to fish for ...

+1. What are they trying to accomplish by doing this? OP probably long gone now.

4 June 2018, 10:08 AM	#7
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	date font and lec on crystal give me pause. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

4 June 2018, 10:43 AM	#11
77T 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 40,724	Inherited Rolex Not only that Larry, I see no lug holes on that case so couldn’t be R vintage. A clean R s/n would look like this one: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

4 June 2018, 11:08 AM	#13
Rsubnodate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: USA Posts: 290	Inherited Rolex Anyone notice the crown on the 3rd pic?

4 June 2018, 02:25 PM	#17
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,049	After another quick look, I'm gonna say that the hand-stack is wrong and the plots look too big.. I'm calling fake barring further information. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

4 June 2018, 03:48 PM	#22
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,347	It is my humble judgement that the whole watch is 100% fake. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

4 June 2018, 09:41 AM	#2
swils8610 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: shannon Location: usa Posts: 8,993	The first thing I would do is remove the serial number from your post. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

4 June 2018, 09:46 AM	#4
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,614	I vote for a new bezel and crystal

4 June 2018, 09:51 AM	#5
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	You have a nice watch. I would wear it as is.

4 June 2018, 09:54 AM	#6
Urosfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Watch: Me now Posts: 19,184	Beautiful peice like others said remove serial number from post send for service then enjoy that lovely time peice

4 June 2018, 10:12 AM	#8
kokota 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,276	Something very wrong with that “inherited” watch.

4 June 2018, 10:50 AM	#12
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	i'm flying to houston tomorrow and selling all my invictas (err, rolexeses, ya, rolexeses) to this AD.

4 June 2018, 11:30 AM	#15
siempreko "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Maryland, USA Watch: Sometimes Posts: 1,197	Houston, we have a problem! Not everything is checking out... something ain’t right here... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 June 2018, 11:34 AM	#16
swatty 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,407	Doesn't look good to me,

4 June 2018, 02:54 PM	#18
junamuan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Real Name: Jun Location: Vancouver, BC Watch: BLNR Posts: 672	I noticed threads like this, ie 'inherited a Rolex from my grandfather/Aunt etc', without accompanied reasonable feel-good stories behind the watch, usually comes from members with a couple of posts. It's either çoincidence or just trying to fish for ...

4 June 2018, 02:59 PM	#19
MILGAUSS88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: mississippi river Posts: 2,949	"Laser" engraved coronet on crystal is fake as well.

4 June 2018, 03:19 PM	#20
MinMay Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: United States Posts: 2,410	Looks Fake. Which AD did you go to?

4 June 2018, 03:58 PM	#23
Torque Time "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Real Name: Archie Location: Washington, DC Watch: TT DJ 1601 Posts: 359	I love it as is. You know the pedigree and that is the coolest part. I’d wear as is and if asked about condition, tell everyone it was G-fathers. If you chose to service and replace crystal/bezel, I’d save original. Also be prepared to have Lume updates by RSC. Enjoy that great piece!

4 June 2018, 05:34 PM	#24
RonSwanson "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Michigan Posts: 154	No lug holes, incorrect handstack, fake crystal for sure, unsigned crown, date wheel wrong, lume way to white for supposed vintage. If true, I'm sorry for you loss, but this piece is either highly frankensteined, or completely fake.

4 June 2018, 09:01 PM	#25
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	no good imho __________________ watches many

4 June 2018, 11:41 PM	#26
KLEJNOT_NILU "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Poland Watch: 116613LB Posts: 84	Maybe you got lucky and theres an original movement inside. Other than that it's frankenwatch at best /edit oh, the date font is way off, so the movement is probably fake too. Nothing fits in this watch. It should end up in trash

5 June 2018, 02:13 AM	#27
Uhtred59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Ken Location: Europa Watch: 216570 Posts: 693	The infamous 2 posters. __________________ "My center is yielding, my right is retreating. Excellent situation, I am attacking" Ferdinand Foch

5 June 2018, 04:10 AM	#28
123Blueface "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: USA Watch: All Posts: 4,939	Good try.

5 June 2018, 04:23 AM	#29
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Glad others stepped in. Nothing looked genuine on this piece. R serial number versus a much later incorrect LEC! FAKE __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

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