Got the call: 5712/1A

[GeraldGentaFan]

5712 has my vote (I own both), but you seem set on the 5711. That indicates to me you should wait. When I bought my 5712, it wasn’t my second choice. I bought my 5711 five years later.

[rw2008]

I'm biased, but for me it would be the 5712. I adore mine and I find it much more interesting and charming than the 5711.

The 12 would be a wonderful companion to the 5164a, which is the PP combo I'm going for as well.

[AK797]

Its an acquired taste, don't force it, buy what you love only.

[Sam Philip]

I would get the 5712A now and wait for the 5711A, then decide what to do. Patek would not consider you as a flipper if you sell a watch after having it for some time to get another.

[MCMartiny]

Originally Posted by rw2008

The 12 would be a wonderful companion to the 5164a, which is the PP combo I'm going for as well.

5712 and 5164 make a beautiful and complementary duo:



But if your heart is set on the 5711, I think you should wait for that one.

[CamSLC]

I think the 11' and 64' would be my ideal combo, but I prefer the simplicity of the dial.

[Bearxj86]

No one says no to a 5712 at retail ...NO ONE! :)


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[Calatrava r]

Wait for the 5711 if you are hesitating. 5711 is a far better sports watch water resistant to 120m. 5712 is too complicated and only WR to 60m due to the correctors. Plus, you need a winder for the 5712 unless you want to keep setting it which is not recommended. The movement in the 5712 has been around for a while being cased as strap watches none of which were stellar sellers. The movement only became popular in the Nautilus. Funny how that works.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

I would get the 5712A now and wait for the 5711A, then decide what to do. Patek would not consider you as a flipper if you sell a watch after having it for some time to get another.

We should hope so. But if you are after an application piece from Patek they might want to see you still have every piece you have ever bought.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

Plus, you need a winder for the 5712 unless you want to keep setting it which is not recommended. .

Where did you get that information? And let's not go with "my AD told me".


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[JR16]

Yea... there is nothing wrong w setting the 5712 as often as you want. I think winders are a waste, except perhaps for a AC or PC. Also, with regard to water reistance, most of us are not going diving with a 5711 or 5712... I can’t imagine a scenario where I would be taking my 5712 180 feet under water.


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[wisguy]

I'd buy it.

If after a while it doesn't do it for you, flip it for a profit.

[Jonbut76]

Thank you all for your helpful comments! I absolutely won’t be diving with any PP and right now I have no intention to sell the 5164.

I tried on the 5712 last night and it’s superb as I expected it to be. Question still remains if I prefer the 5711 or 5712. I’m not sure I will ever reconcile that...

Right now I’m leaning towards getting it and seeing how I go whilst still being on the list for the 5711. When it arrives I can make a decision. To flip the 5712 or keep it and be happy with my choice.

Would it be an issue if I flip within 6-12 months? I’d be perfectly open with the AD of course.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by Jonbut76

Thank you all for your helpful comments! I absolutely won’t be diving with any PP and right now I have no intention to sell the 5164.

I tried on the 5712 last night and it’s superb as I expected it to be. Question still remains if I prefer the 5711 or 5712. I’m not sure I will ever reconcile that...

Right now I’m leaning towards getting it and seeing how I go whilst still being on the list for the 5711. When it arrives I can make a decision. To flip the 5712 or keep it and be happy with my choice.

Would it be an issue if I flip within 6-12 months? I’d be perfectly open with the AD of course.

If the 5711 comes available and you want/need to sell the 5712 to make it happen, it's none of their business to be honest. I cannot believe we are scared of the AD these days to sell what we buy with our own money for fear of them not selling to us again. It's freakin unreal....


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[dsk28]

Originally Posted by V25V

If the 5711 comes available and you want/need to sell the 5712 to make it happen, it's none of their business to be honest. I cannot believe we are scared of the AD these days to sell what we buy with our own money for fear of them not selling to us again. It's freakin unreal....


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How times have changed... From when ADs trying to lick our a** to gain our business and now it is completely the other way around

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Jonbut76

Thank you all for your helpful comments! I absolutely won’t be diving with any PP and right now I have no intention to sell the 5164.

I tried on the 5712 last night and it’s superb as I expected it to be. Question still remains if I prefer the 5711 or 5712. I’m not sure I will ever reconcile that...

Right now I’m leaning towards getting it and seeing how I go whilst still being on the list for the 5711. When it arrives I can make a decision. To flip the 5712 or keep it and be happy with my choice.

Would it be an issue if I flip within 6-12 months? I’d be perfectly open with the AD of course.

Superb = Get it!

Flipping is more within weeks, 6 months and it's just a trade.

[Sam Philip]

Originally Posted by Jonbut76

Thank you all for your helpful comments! I absolutely won’t be diving with any PP and right now I have no intention to sell the 5164.

I tried on the 5712 last night and it’s superb as I expected it to be. Question still remains if I prefer the 5711 or 5712. I’m not sure I will ever reconcile that...

Right now I’m leaning towards getting it and seeing how I go whilst still being on the list for the 5711. When it arrives I can make a decision. To flip the 5712 or keep it and be happy with my choice.

Would it be an issue if I flip within 6-12 months? I’d be perfectly open with the AD of course.

I have spoken to Patek directors in the UK regarding their application process on two occasions. They mentioned to me that they expect customers to sell some of their watches over the time. They fully understand that people's taste/circumstances change and they don't certainly penalise some one for selling a watch especially if the customer had it for some time and decide to get another Patek.

What they don't like is some one obtaining a difficult to get piece and selling it straight away or some one buying and selling the same watch multiple times. I don't think it will be an issue if you decide to move the 5172A or 5164A to get the 5711A

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

I have spoken to Patek directors in the UK regarding their application process on two occasions. They mentioned to me that they expect customers to sell some of their watches over the time. They fully understand that people's taste/circumstances change and they don't certainly penalise some one for selling a watch especially if the customer had it for some time and decide to get another Patek.

What they don't like is some one obtaining a difficult to get piece and selling it straight away or some one buying and selling the same watch multiple times. I don't think it will be an issue if you decide to move the 5172A or 5164A to get the 5711A

Totally agree.

[uniqueMR]

Wait till 5711. But what you want and would wear.

[verse214]

Originally Posted by V25V

Where did you get that information? And let's not go with "my AD told me".


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It's just annoying to have to set the moon, date, and time every time you want to wear your 5712 if you don't have a winder

[V25V]

Originally Posted by verse214

It's just annoying to have to set the moon, date, and time every time you want to wear your 5712 if you don't have a winder

So it's not recommended from a convenience standpoint? That's not the way I read his note. To me, he was implying it was bad for the movement, which is horse .


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[Tay821]

If you pass you might not be offered the 5711

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Tay821

If you pass you might not be offered the 5711

Unlikely, unless the AD isn't worth buying from in the first place.

[ap1]

You move on 12, this begins the relationship. Hopefully you get a latte too

[V25V]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Unlikely, unless the AD isn't worth buying from in the first place.

Yeah, but they can tell you what you are allowed to buy and when you can sell it. Then they are worth buying from....





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[blacke90]

Get the 5712 now and decide what to do when 5711 comes. Perhaps you might not like the 5711 by that time? I personally love both and like how the 5712 wears.

[qrc36]

HK guy here too. Excellent knowledge of how the system works.

The "waiting lists" are really not ranked in order and people can jump the queue. It's mostly decided by Libertas (the PP distributor in HK) after the AD hands them your name.

The scenario right now is that your AD feels you aren't "ready" for a 5711 yet, given the 15 month wait for both 5711 and 5712. I got my 5711 as a fresh client of my AD within a few months after putting my name down. I was told "it was [the distributor's] decision, not our [AD's] decision." I've also had several friends get their 5711 and 5712 within a few months after putting their name down (as fresh clients with no history). One of them got their 5711 several months after their 5712. So the inventory is definitely there, it's all a matter of your distributor agreeing on who to sell it to.

So if your AD felt you were ready for a 5711 (or "worthy" as some of my friends say), they would have allocated one to you already. So here it appears your AD feels you are now ready for a 5712, but not 5711.

Knowing the practice here in Hong Kong, I would advise you to buy the 5712. Wear it and visit your AD, telling him/her how much you love it and hinting that you'd love to get the 5711 too. Hopefully that will help your chances of getting the 5711 eventually.

I am not saying this to offend you in any way when I mention being "ready" or "worthy" - that's just how it works here, from my personal experience.

[SpeedyTuomas]

Your call but I would take the 5712.

[clu]

Originally Posted by qrc36

HK guy here too. Excellent knowledge of how the system works.

The "waiting lists" are really not ranked in order and people can jump the queue. It's mostly decided by Libertas (the PP distributor in HK) after the AD hands them your name.

The scenario right now is that your AD feels you aren't "ready" for a 5711 yet, given the 15 month wait for both 5711 and 5712. I got my 5711 as a fresh client of my AD within a few months after putting my name down. I was told "it was [the distributor's] decision, not our [AD's] decision." I've also had several friends get their 5711 and 5712 within a few months after putting their name down (as fresh clients with no history). One of them got their 5711 several months after their 5712. So the inventory is definitely there, it's all a matter of your distributor agreeing on who to sell it to.

So if your AD felt you were ready for a 5711 (or "worthy" as some of my friends say), they would have allocated one to you already. So here it appears your AD feels you are now ready for a 5712, but not 5711.

Knowing the practice here in Hong Kong, I would advise you to buy the 5712. Wear it and visit your AD, telling him/her how much you love it and hinting that you'd love to get the 5711 too. Hopefully that will help your chances of getting the 5711 eventually.

I am not saying this to offend you in any way when I mention being "ready" or "worthy" - that's just how it works here, from my personal experience.

that is exactly how it works in HK, i know a guy has absolutely no purchase history but managed to get one in 2 months. The inventory is definitely there. My AD called me couple of weeks ago and told me that she was going to put my name on the waiting list for 5711, expect 3 months waiting time. I will let you know if I eventually get it, but she said it's actually not as hard as people think it is.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by qrc36

HK guy here too. Excellent knowledge of how the system works.

The "waiting lists" are really not ranked in order and people can jump the queue. It's mostly decided by Libertas (the PP distributor in HK) after the AD hands them your name.

The scenario right now is that your AD feels you aren't "ready" for a 5711 yet, given the 15 month wait for both 5711 and 5712. I got my 5711 as a fresh client of my AD within a few months after putting my name down. I was told "it was [the distributor's] decision, not our [AD's] decision." I've also had several friends get their 5711 and 5712 within a few months after putting their name down (as fresh clients with no history). One of them got their 5711 several months after their 5712. So the inventory is definitely there, it's all a matter of your distributor agreeing on who to sell it to.

So if your AD felt you were ready for a 5711 (or "worthy" as some of my friends say), they would have allocated one to you already. So here it appears your AD feels you are now ready for a 5712, but not 5711.

Knowing the practice here in Hong Kong, I would advise you to buy the 5712. Wear it and visit your AD, telling him/her how much you love it and hinting that you'd love to get the 5711 too. Hopefully that will help your chances of getting the 5711 eventually.

I am not saying this to offend you in any way when I mention being "ready" or "worthy" - that's just how it works here, from my personal experience.

That's an interesting system. For the original poster's sake, I hope purchasing the 5712 will one day make him worthy of a 5711 in the eyes of his AD/HK distributor.