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R@lex · 29 October 2017, 01:44 AM

is this green hand on the proper position? The bezel looks a bit off too.

posted on a FB forum

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GradyPhilpott · 29 October 2017, 03:56 AM

I call fake.

R@lex · 29 October 2017, 03:59 AM

the numbers on the bezel are too white, may be the light.....

GradyPhilpott · 29 October 2017, 04:55 AM

There's a heap of problems with that watch.

R@lex · 29 October 2017, 05:01 AM

A guy from US posted at UGWC on FB. No one noticed the issues, except for me and another guy!

tommy91 · 29 October 2017, 06:23 AM

It's fake 100%

GLADIATOR · 29 October 2017, 07:47 AM

Hand stack looks wrong, but impossible to tell 100% from that photo
adam

springer · 29 October 2017, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Hand stack looks wrong, but impossible to tell 100% from that photo
adam

Based on the photo, it is 100% fake.

tommy91 · 29 October 2017, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

Based on the photo, it is 100% fake.

Exactly

R@lex · 30 October 2017, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Hand stack looks wrong, but impossible to tell 100% from that photo
adam

Owner claims it is the pic position

GLADIATOR · 30 October 2017, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by R@lex

Owner claims it is the pic position

Well of course he would, but I looked at a lot and it does appear wrong to me.

Ask seller to send photo with the GMT hand clearly over the hour hand.

A

GradyPhilpott · 30 October 2017, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by R@lex

Owner claims it is the pic position

It isn't the position.

The lume plots are all wrong, as well.

The hand stack is wrong in my judgement, but lacking perfect picture, I'll call that undetermined.

R@lex · 30 October 2017, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

It isn't the position.

The lume plots are all wrong, as well.

The hand stack is wrong in my judgement, but lacking perfect picture, I'll call that undetermined.

He sent another pic
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GLADIATOR · 30 October 2017, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

It isn't the position.

The lume plots are all wrong, as well.

The hand stack is wrong in my judgement, but lacking perfect picture, I'll call that undetermined.

AGREED

Cryten · 30 October 2017, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by R@lex

He sent another pic

That looks like bad photoshop masked by a low res photo to me.

The 2 in the date window being so far off center that it's cropped by the window isn't helping his cause either.

R@lex · 30 October 2017, 09:13 PM

Well, after the last pic the GMT hand is in the right position, but something is wrong with that watch....

Time taker · 30 October 2017, 11:19 PM

Run for the hills and don't look back!
The gmt hand is clearly photo shopped.

socalwatchcollector · 30 October 2017, 11:37 PM

I don't like it at all.. The 2 alone should send red flags up.. More pics if you can get them...

zaydans · 31 October 2017, 12:09 PM

Correct hand stack can be faked nowadays so that is no reassurance!!

GLADIATOR · 1 November 2017, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by zaydans

Correct hand stack can be faked nowadays so that is no reassurance!!

That is correct

vintagewaferthin · 1 November 2017, 06:29 AM

Fake

cda555 · 1 November 2017, 07:12 AM

I am pretty bad at this sort of thing. To my eyes that one looks like my 116710. Now I'm worried.

GLADIATOR · 1 November 2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cda555

Now I'm worried.

Bet it does not.
Post photo of yours with both the hour and GMT hand at same hour (time).

We can 100% confirm based on that if you are worried
adam

cda555 · 1 November 2017, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Bet it does not.
Post photo of yours with both the hour and GMT hand at same hour (time).

We can 100% confirm based on that if you are worried
adam

Don't mean to distract from the original thread. I wasn't really THAT worried as I bought it from a top notch seller. I am just bad at authenticating and I hate it.

GLADIATOR · 1 November 2017, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cda555

don't mean to distract from the original thread. I wasn't really that worried as i bought it from a top notch seller. I am just bad at authenticating and i hate it.

100% genuine
guaranteed.

LOVELY piece!

cda555 · 1 November 2017, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

100% genuine
guaranteed.

LOVELY piece!

Thank you!

R@lex · 1 November 2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cda555

Thank you!

Yours is ok!

shabaang · 1 November 2017, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Bet it does not.
Post photo of yours with both the hour and GMT hand at same hour (time).

We can 100% confirm based on that if you are worried
adam

uh, I'd be more concerned with YOU up in here trying authenticate watches again.. didn't you learn your lesson from a couple of threads ago? Where you had claimed the guy's sub was a fake? You saw 3-4 issues of concern (which is now a running joke btw on that thread

) that you refused to explain any further on what they were despite everybody in the thread telling you to do so, including a mod.

In the end, the watch was real and as a new member here I was very uncomfortable watching it unfold considering you cried out fake from the get go (I would've hated to be in op's position, having a real watch and somebody crying fake)and you clearly don't have the expertise to be authenticating some of these watches.

guys, I wouldn't even listen to "gladiator" .. I feel like people need to be educated on this person. These aren't $200 watches, these are $8,000 and up, leave the authenticating to the experts please.

GLADIATOR · 1 November 2017, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shabaang

uh, I'd be more concerned with YOU up in here trying authenticate watches again.. didn't you learn your lesson from a couple of threads ago? Where you had claimed the guy's sub was a fake? You saw 3-4 issues of concern (which is now a running joke btw on that thread

) that you refused to explain any further on what they were despite everybody in the thread telling you to do so, including a mod.

In the end, the watch was real and as a new member here I was very uncomfortable watching it unfold considering you cried out fake from the get go (I would've hated to be in op's position, having a real watch and somebody crying fake)and you clearly don't have the expertise to be authenticating some of these watches.

guys, I wouldn't even listen to "gladiator" .. I feel like people need to be educated on this person. These aren't $200 watches, these are $8,000 and up, leave the authenticating to the experts please.

I got NO intention of arguing or discussing your opinions.

Firstly if you read that thread again closely I never "claimed fake"
I stated that there were 3 things that "concerned" me and "lets here what other say"
I NEVER used the word fake (or genuine) as I do when I can categorically define it!

I come here to help people NOT buy fakes, if anything "concerns" me, I say it, and advise them to get it checked or take other advice.

The 3 things that concerned me on that OP's watch would still concern me to ask the 'person' to get it checked out or take other advice.

I have helped hundreds of people on this and other sites, as I have done on this site.
The original OPs watch in my opinion is fake or highly suspicious, the second posters watch is 100% genuine.

Me? I stick to ONLY commenting on watches/horology and not personal attacks on people.

Finally, I doubt you have even seen or less even handled the fakes that are appearing now, but I could post photos that looked better than that OPs watch and its FAKE!

So I wont be responding to any further claims by you

Adam

shabaang · 1 November 2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I got NO intention of arguing or discussing your opinions.

Firstly if you read that thread again closely I never "claimed fake"
I stated that there were 3 things that "concerned" me and "lets here what other say"
I NEVER used the word fake (or genuine) as I do when I can categorically define it!

I come here to help people NOT buy fakes, if anything "concerns" me, I say it, and advise them to get it checked or take other advice.

The 3 things that concerned me on that OP's watch would still concern me to ask the 'person' to get it checked out or take other advice.

I have helped hundreds of people on this and other sites, as I have done on this site.
The original OPs watch in my opinion is fake or highly suspicious, the second posters watch is 100% genuine.

Me? I stick to ONLY commenting on watches/horology and not personal attacks on people.

So I wont be responding to any further claims by you

Adam

I'm a new member and I'm very uncomfortable seeing you try to authenticate watches when clearly you have no business doing this. You saw 3-4 issues on a real watch? lol .. ok.. a mod asked you state the issues, you did not. Not here attacking, just stating facts.

I'm trying to look out for others since you like to give bad advice based on what i've seen.

that other thread would've been 100x better if you had never posted..what does that tell you?

I've warned others, now they can do what they want with the info.

29 October 2017, 01:44 AM	#1
R@lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: São Paulo Watch: dd40 228235 Posts: 214	Help on GMT stacking is this green hand on the proper position? The bezel looks a bit off too. posted on a FB forum IMG_6629.JPG __________________ _______________________________ "So I live each day, like I know that is my last" RS

29 October 2017, 03:56 AM	#2
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,346	I call fake. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

29 October 2017, 03:59 AM	#3
R@lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: São Paulo Watch: dd40 228235 Posts: 214	the numbers on the bezel are too white, may be the light..... __________________ _______________________________ "So I live each day, like I know that is my last" RS

29 October 2017, 04:55 AM	#4
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,346	There's a heap of problems with that watch. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

29 October 2017, 05:01 AM	#5
R@lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: São Paulo Watch: dd40 228235 Posts: 214	A guy from US posted at UGWC on FB. No one noticed the issues, except for me and another guy! __________________ _______________________________ "So I live each day, like I know that is my last" RS

29 October 2017, 06:23 AM	#6
tommy91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: . Location: . Posts: 1,343	It's fake 100%

29 October 2017, 07:47 AM	#7
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Hand stack looks wrong, but impossible to tell 100% from that photo adam __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

30 October 2017, 09:13 PM	#16
R@lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: São Paulo Watch: dd40 228235 Posts: 214	Well, after the last pic the GMT hand is in the right position, but something is wrong with that watch.... __________________ _______________________________ "So I live each day, like I know that is my last" RS

30 October 2017, 11:19 PM	#17
Time taker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London Posts: 58	Help on GMT stacking Run for the hills and don't look back! The gmt hand is clearly photo shopped.

30 October 2017, 11:37 PM	#18
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,621	I don't like it at all.. The 2 alone should send red flags up.. More pics if you can get them...

31 October 2017, 12:09 PM	#19
zaydans "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Joe Location: CONUS Watch: Rolex 116710 Posts: 994	Correct hand stack can be faked nowadays so that is no reassurance!!

1 November 2017, 06:29 AM	#21
vintagewaferthin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth Watch: Air-King 5500 Posts: 2,609	Fake

1 November 2017, 07:12 AM	#22
cda555 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: USA Watch: GMT IIc and PO Posts: 1,638	I am pretty bad at this sort of thing. To my eyes that one looks like my 116710. Now I'm worried.

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