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3 March 2020, 07:27 AM | #723 | |
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British Airways among others in the UK now cancelling flights.
If it’s no big deal as many here are saying are we saying a company like BA who are all about profit are buying into the hype?! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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3 March 2020, 07:43 AM | #726 |
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I would imagine they are canceling flights because they would be empty flights. As I’m sure you’re aware many people are canceling their trips because of the ”hype”
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My guess is we have learned from them, hence the lockdowns now.
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That’s my thoughts too. Watching what the CCP is doing vs saying concerns me. Hopefully they are just flexing their control.
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I’m in front line healthcare and am probably at higher risk than most of contracting it if it spreads significantly. I’m also (in isolation) not bothered about the prospect. I’m young and healthy and highly unlikely to be severely affected should I contract it. However the law of large numbers means that any government which actually values its citizens absolutely has to take it very seriously, which means making contingency plans for implementing very disruptive action to try to contain the virus - even if the worst-case-scenario projections are unlikely. I do not accept that the currently quoted mortality figures are definitely accurate (I expect the number to drop as time goes by, though I accept I could be wrong) however if only 10% of Brits were to become infected and even if the currently mortality figure is a 10-fold over-estimate, that would mean 140 000 deaths. Even if the government doesn’t give a toss about the plebs, voters might not forget in a hurry the people at the top who ignored those kinds of numbers.
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Coronavirus and 5G? That's interesting, even if it would sound too far-fetched:
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Look, I am not saying that this isn't something we should take seriously. I am just saying if you watch CNN/MSNBC or any other, or follow them on social media, its literally their headline with constant posts/articles about it. With it being so sensationalized by them, of course it will be received with a lot of people being freaked out. People are buying up water in stores and masks...... come on. I just think this will be worked out and it is being too hyped up. But I am no doctor, I guess I just play one on TRF. |
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Whichever way this works itself out there are going to be a huge amount of ‘I told you so.....’ threads!
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And when considering those who are at higher risk of death from Covid-19, people with high blood pressure (hypertension-HTN) fall into a high risk category. How many friends and family members does each of us have afflicted with HTN? I really don't think enough data has been complied on the infection to make reliable predictions about the outbreak's future course, but as a physician, I am very concerned at the rapid spread and alarming death rates compared to other community-acquired infections. And I'm not holding my breath for a quick vaccine. |
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Exactly right. Nobody knows. I just wish we could all find out together without hyping it up and scaring everyone into a massive worldwide financial crisis. If things get as bad as some people feel they will then a financial crisis will happen on its own but we will feel pretty stupid if this is no worse than a regular flu but we destroy the economy anyway.
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the Coronavirus outbreak thread
I agree with those who say some people have been panicked by the constant news coverage.
There are millions more adults now than the last big virus outbreak (H1N1) - and their thinking has been shaped by social media hype as well. The news will get worse until educational efforts help people reshape their current general hygiene profile - that could help a lot - and until warm weather might stem the life span of the virus on objects that could reduce transfer contamination. If I might add a thought... H1N1 frightened many at the outset. Thousands died and eventually it was brought under control by vaccinations. However it still kills. IMHO, if we don’t respect history we repeat the mistakes of the past. The advice about avoiding this new Coronavirus is almost identical the the advice for H1N1. If you read up then you smarten up. And H1N1 is still with us - it just migrates, goes dormant, resurges and still kills thousands each year. While that is true, it doesn’t mean ignoring the good advice millions have forgotten. Here is what CDC published on February 10, 2010...sound familiar? Take these everyday steps to protect your health: Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. Wash your hands often with soap and water. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand rub.* Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way. Try to avoid close contact with sick people. If you are sick with flu-like illness, CDC recommends that you stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever is gone except to get medical care or for other necessities. (Your fever should be gone without the use of a fever-reducing medicine.*) Keep away from others as much as possible to keep from making others sick. Other important actions that you can take are: Follow public health advice regarding school closures, avoiding crowds and other social distancing measures. Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based hand rubs * (for when soap and water are not available), tissues and other related items could help you to avoid the need to make trips out in public while you are sick and contagious. https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm#d Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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You are absolutely spot on about proper hygiene. If you could see the bacteria on surfaces you casually touch in everyday life...you would remember to NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE. |
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Information and disinformation is so much more easily accessible now vs just a few years ago it makes distilling the truth so much harder. Hopefully this all blows over but doesn't hurt to be skeptical and take precautions. Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Ain’t that the truth!
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The CDC have removed the testing data from their website.
I hope this is just another glitch in the matrix and not their attempt to hide the fact that their testing hasn't increased as promised. Let's hope it returns. |
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The NYC doctor basically says, "Don't believe the false assurance. It will spread. We severely lack testing facilities. The mortality rate from the reliable S. Korean study is .2-.4%; but it's still twice as high as flu":
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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...-23-death-rate It's important to know that environmental factors play a role in this number. Are the dynamics on a cruise ship the same as the real world? Probably not. Then again, is the population of a cruise ship healthier and more resilient to catching a virus than the general population? Maybe, maybe not. We need time and data to study these things. So, in a nutshell, that's the cause of the fear. At best, it transmits the same as the seasonal flu, but kills at a rate 20x higher. At worst, it transmits about double the seasonal flu, and still kills 20x as many infected. As to why China isn't experiencing many millions infected...well they put in place some of the most severe measures to stop the spread of a disease than any country ever has before. They put an entire province under quarantine, complete with drones that would identify people who were moving around. They built multiple hospitals in 10 (TEN!) days. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ther-countries But if you think they did all that because of the western media, well, more power to you I guess. |
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Super dramatic for such a low death rate. Why don’t they just let it ride like the flu then?
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Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO's chief of emergencies, pointed out that even regions that have taken less aggressive measures than the extraordinary lockdowns implemented by China have managed to keep the virus in check. Ryan said that because COVID-19 is not as easily transmitted as the flu, “it offers us a glimmer ... that this virus can be suppressed and contained.” Who knows????? |
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WHO seems to be contrarian in their analysis. According to them, the virus is not as contagious as the flu and their aren't that many asymptomatic persons with the infection. Other Data and opinions based on clusters popping up are the exact opposite of that.... |
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It's odd that our primary function in life is survival yet we can't even agree not to keep health info upfront and accurate. |
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