GMT Master 2 16700 or 16710

[Daryl]

I love the red


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[Axl Rose]

I know some say that the 16700 only came in black and pepsi, but it also came with the coke bezel...

And, the 16700 is rearer so I would def go for that one.

[Colin10101]

Originally Posted by Axl Rose

I know some say that the 16700 only came in black and pepsi, but it also came with the coke bezel...

And, the 16700 is rearer so I would def go for that one.

The GMT Master 16700 never came with a Coke bezel.

[Axl Rose]

Originally Posted by Colin10101

The GMT Master 16700 never came with a Coke bezel.

That is wrong.

It did come with a coke bezel at least in 1999. I have one.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Axl Rose

That is wrong.

It did come with a coke bezel at least in 1999. I have one.

Did you buy it new in 1999?

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Axl Rose

That is wrong.

It did come with a coke bezel at least in 1999. I have one.

No, they did not, the black/red insert was introduced for the GMT II..

If you have a black/red insert, somebody changed it..

(of course I will reconsider if you have paperwork that absolutely demonstrates and documents that it was manufactured as such, and we will have learned something new here)

[springer]

Originally Posted by Tools

No, they did not, the black/red insert was introduced for the GMT II..

If you have a black/red insert, somebody changed it..

(of course I will reconsider if you have paperwork that absolutely demonstrates and documents that it was manufactured as such, and we will have learned something new here)

I would agree with Larry on his comment here. I have never seen anything documenting the red/black insert coming as a factory option on the GMT 16700.

Additionally, I remember a while back when some of the minions claimed the GMT 16700 never came with a black insert, even though the 16700 is prominently featured in the owner's manual with a black insert. Black or "pepsi" inserts were available for the GMT 16700. "Coke" inserts could be added by the dealer or buyer.

[Ferdelious]

I prefer SEL and no lugs holes, so I would choose 16710.

[strafer_kid]

Originally Posted by bbressler

I prefer jump hour for travel, so 16710

So does the jump hour on the 16710 mean no quick set date?

[bbressler]

Originally Posted by strafer_kid

So does the jump hour on the 16710 mean no quick set date?

Correct, you have to spin the hour hand around 24 times to change the day. Its still pretty quick to change the date that way and for me the advantage of not having to hack and reset when traveling outweighs the quick set date

[Tools]

Originally Posted by bbressler

Correct, you have to spin the hour hand around 24 times to change the day. Its still pretty quick to change the date that way and for me the advantage of not having to hack and reset when traveling outweighs the quick set date

It's just 24 clicks of the jump hand (2 revolutions), not "around 24 times"..

[bbressler]

Originally Posted by Tools

It's just 24 clicks of the jump hand (2 revolutions), not "around 24 times"..

Haha yes, that's what I meant but did not word so well

[HogwldFLTR]

I'm fond of my 16700 which I switched recently from Pepsi to black; I like it more now! I guess the red and blue lost attractiveness to me. Regardless of whether or not the 16700 originally had coke as an option, it easy enough to change it to that these days. No one's going to arrest you for it either.

[mrchrisx69]

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[Oldfashioned]

Can someone confirm there's no coke bezel from a 16700? Ive seen one with paper and the serial is 16700A which should indicate it's a coke bezel.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Oldfashioned

Can someone confirm there's no coke bezel from a 16700? Ive seen one with paper and the serial is 16700A which should indicate it's a coke bezel.

There was no red/black insert available on the GMT 16700 - only red/blue and black.

The A code you mention didn't designate bezel colors until the late 1990s. The first year that I have observed with letter codes for inserts began around 1998 with the "A" serial numbers.

"A" was red/black, "B" was blue/red and "N" was black.

The "A" code, or A30 code as I call it, was found on the early typed USA warranty papers being around 1980 in the USA. (You will also find punched warranty papers from the USA during the early 1980s too.) On these typed warranty papers, there is a style number found directly above the serial number. This number begins with the model number, such as 16750 then followed by an A30 then the bracelet number. This A or A30 designation can also be found on Submariners, Explorers, Sea Dwellers and possibly other models. All 16750s would have this A30 designation and we know that 16750s never came with black/red bezel inserts. This A30 only coding continued until around 1998 when you'll start to see N30 and B30 and A30 coding in the style numbers beginning with the "A" serial numbers. You may also find this coding on the green hang tags.

Below is a photo of a USA typed warranty paper with the A30 coding in the style number which is R16750A30B9315 (The B9315 indicates the bracelet for this watch was a 93150 flip-lock Submariner style bracelet.)

I've been working on a document / photo spread with this information but I have not finished it yet. When it is done, I'll post it in the reference section.

[ancientmariner]

Originally Posted by DVC

16700 for the quick set and the dial just looks perfect without the "II".

Yep

Oops, just realised it is an old thread

[HogwldFLTR]

I like the newer GMTs; sold my 16700 in favor of a baby blue...fwiw, I much preferred the movement in the 16700 to my ExpII which is a pia to set.

[Oldfashioned]

Originally Posted by springer

There was no red/black insert available on the GMT 16700 - only red/blue and black.

The A code you mention didn't designate bezel colors until the late 1990s. The first year that I have observed with letter codes for inserts began around 1998 with the "A" serial numbers.

"A" was red/black, "B" was blue/red and "N" was black.

The "A" code, or A30 code as I call it, was found on the early typed USA warranty papers being around 1980 in the USA. (You will also find punched warranty papers from the USA during the early 1980s too.) On these typed warranty papers, there is a style number found directly above the serial number. This number begins with the model number, such as 16750 then followed by an A30 then the bracelet number. This A or A30 designation can also be found on Submariners, Explorers, Sea Dwellers and possibly other models. All 16750s would have this A30 designation and we know that 16750s never came with black/red bezel inserts. This A30 only coding continued until around 1998 when you'll start to see N30 and B30 and A30 coding in the style numbers beginning with the "A" serial numbers. You may also find this coding on the green hang tags.

Below is a photo of a USA typed warranty paper with the A30 coding in the style number which is R16750A30B9315 (The B9315 indicates the bracelet for this watch was a 93150 flip-lock Submariner style bracelet.)

I've been working on a document / photo spread with this information but I have not finished it yet. When it is done, I'll post it in the reference section.

Thanks Springer!

[springer]

I forgot the photo from my last post. Below is a GMT 16750 typed USA warranty paper.

[springer]

[QUOTE=springer;8058710]There was no red/black insert available on the GMT 16700 - only red/blue and black.

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I forgot the photo from my last post. Below is a GMT 16750 typed USA warranty paper.