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eonflux · 6 August 2015, 06:15 AM

Using pics of different watches is definitely shady.
Hope you get your money back.
Would not take money for problems you can readily see. Who know what else is wrong with the watch?

cruise_bone · 6 August 2015, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

In addition to the bezel, and the minute hand not being in the right spot for 3 seconds later, the shadows are different, and the depth of field is different on the two images. I doubt he photoshopped it. More likely it's an outright lie about being the same watch.

I hope you can get your money back from this guy.

This ^^^^^

Johny · 6 August 2015, 07:58 PM

is the shop owner a member on the forum?

AK797 · 6 August 2015, 09:32 PM

No but on the Dutch forum.

Johny · 6 August 2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

No but on the Dutch forum.

thanks. I was wondering if he was aware of this thread.

mfer · 6 August 2015, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by c9smw

Sorry, but I can't agree about missing one ! I don't understand how you can only have one of a particular model of watch advertised yet use a picture of a mint watch in the advert while the one watch you have in stock is dinged and scatched. And they had pictures of the actual watch showing the damage all along !
He does seem a decent guy though and I'm hopeful he will make this right.
I have to say I've bought 2 watches from him previously a couple of years ago and all went well, but they were brand new and not used

Before you go ruining his reputation, I'd focus on getting a refund first. The more you beat him up publicly, the less likely he will be willing to work with you. Try and settle this privately first and then you can post a review and let him defend. My thoughts, take them for what they are worth.

rnrmbs · 7 August 2015, 03:56 PM

You know what you should do, detective c9smw?

Stop bitchin' and buy new at an AD.

VictorPanerai · 7 August 2015, 06:27 PM

Stop fucking crying jerk off. I know Jaap and he probably mixed up two watches. I also know that he probably offered you a full refund as he does with all his unstatisfied customers. So did he offer you a full refund or not?

And if you want absolute mint condition you should by new.

SearChart · 7 August 2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorPanerai

Stop fucking crying jerk off. I know Jaap and he probably mixed up two watches. I also know that he probably offered you a full refund as he does with all his unstatisfied customers. So did he offer you a full refund or not?

And if you want absolute mint condition you should by new.

No need for such language...

Camel · 7 August 2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

No need for such language...

I agree.

MonBK · 7 August 2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorPanerai

Stop fucking crying jerk off. I know Jaap and he probably mixed up two watches. I also know that he probably offered you a full refund as he does with all his unstatisfied customers. So did he offer you a full refund or not?

And if you want absolute mint condition you should by new.

Geez, hold your language horses

Fratellowatches · 7 August 2015, 06:57 PM

"So Precisionwatches.nl photoshops his pictures".

I rarely post here (just read), but this topic had me triggered. I've bought watches from Jaap and so did a lot of (watch) friends. A standup guy who seem to have made a mistake by not looking careful enough at one of his watches.

However, I hate to see a good dealer being pissed at in a topic title like this. Knowing Jaap a bit, he probably doesn't even have Photoshop or any other photo editing software. He probably mixed up photos as he had another similar Sub for sale as well, as I've read. He is a dealer and many watches go through his hands. This doesn't justify the mistake, but it is just an explanation of why this could have happened.

My advice would be to get a full refund and send him the watch back. For you, the watch is contaminated, no matter if you have it repaired or serviced, and he has an unhappy customer (and getting his otherwise clean reputation smudged on a forum). So give each other's stuff back and move on. Get a new watch from somewhere else and let him have the watched fixed/repaired and sell it to someone else again who will be happy with it.

What I don't get, is why all this raving and assumptions are posted here. Get in touch with Chrono24 or directly with Jaap and have it fixed in a normal and polite manner, before starting to rant on a forum. Doesn't make sense to me.

In the end, to me it seems you both made mistakes (which is human), so deal with it in the best possible way.

R

Runnin' Rebel · 7 August 2015, 07:19 PM

Wow...

rnrmbs · 7 August 2015, 07:27 PM

I don't know what happened, so I won't give opinion about the case and/or what to do about it.
But I do know this: The atmosphere created in this topic is leaning towards nailing a respected watch dealer on the cross. A couple self proclaimed detectives are chasing rainbows to do just that. It would be better, or more gentleman like, to solve this matter through PM. And I am absolutely sure Precisionwatches will come up with a solution to satisfy the buyer.

Old Expat Beast · 7 August 2015, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

No need for such language...

Agreed. This is a civilized forum.

Johny · 7 August 2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

No need for such language...

i agree.

Cru Jones · 7 August 2015, 08:28 PM

wow, the dutch sure are upset! such language to defend their countryman.

seems like the seller made a few mistakes, and when one runs an internet company transacting in thousands and thousands of euros, mistakes shouldn't happen. when then do, because this is all internet-based, word (whether deservered or not) spreads fast.

ok, sure, maybe (or probably, based on his supposed reputation) he'll "make things right", but, i would be rightly hesitant to buy from him.

Johny · 7 August 2015, 08:43 PM

it's a pity that the seller is not a member on this forum? it would have been good to hear his side of the story. can any of the Dutch members who have posted confirm that he is aware of this thread? thank you.

RyanNL · 7 August 2015, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cru Jones

seems like the seller made a few mistakes, and when one runs an internet company transacting in thousands and thousands of euros, mistakes shouldn't happen.

A lot of things shouldnt happen but sometime things go wrong. Heard about Greece lately? ;-)

People should fix their mistakes and learn from mistakes. Please name one Large company who has done everything right in all of its existance.

I think this has been blown way out of proportion. A buyer gets a used watch that doesnt meet his taste. Send it back, get a refund and learn from your mistake that purchasing used items online can lead to dissapointments.

Before you accuse somebody, take a look in the mirror first to check what you could have done better. Blaming others is just so easy.

AK797 · 7 August 2015, 09:26 PM

Jaap generally has a good rep but there are a few complaints about him on TZ-UK as well, so it is always right to bring up any problems and just as important to also to tell us how he deals with them. And defending him in such a rude manner only hurts Jaap.

brandrea · 7 August 2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Jaap generally has a good rep but there are a few complaints about him on TZ-UK as well, so it is always right to bring up any problems and just as important to also to tell us how he deals with them. And defending him in such a rude manner only hurts Jaap.

Bang on

Watch Professor · 7 August 2015, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorPanerai

Stop fucking crying jerk off. I know Jaap and he probably mixed up two watches. I also know that he probably offered you a full refund as he does with all his unstatisfied customers. So did he offer you a full refund or not?

And if you want absolute mint condition you should by new.

Unacceptable and offensive language. Moderator- please remove and notify this person.

RyanNL · 7 August 2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

Bang on

This is quite sexualy explicit.

VictorPanerai · 7 August 2015, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Watch Professor

Unacceptable and offensive language. Moderator- please remove and notify this person.

And ruining someones business is legit, without telling the whole story Mr. Watchprofessor? Probably shouldn't have used the F word, all the rest complete legit.

Regards,
Victor

SearChart · 7 August 2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorPanerai

And ruining someones business is legit, without telling the whole story Mr. Watchprofessor? Probably shouldn't have used the F word, all the rest complete legit.

Regards,
Victor

True, but I can imagine the OP feels the need to vent, I wouldn't be very happy either if a mistake like this was made.

padi56 · 8 August 2015, 12:00 AM

As this thread is now getting a bit out of hand, to the OP best keep this topic to yourself and the seller.But when you have both reached a satisfied outcome then re-post, until then this subject is closed.

And to member VictorPanerai.
There is no need for any bad language on forum,you have been warned, heed my warning as you will not be warned again.

Welshwatchman · 8 August 2015, 12:44 AM

For those who think that the posting was allowed to pass without notice:

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6 August 2015, 07:58 PM	#33
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	is the shop owner a member on the forum? __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

7 August 2015, 03:56 PM	#37
rnrmbs "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Netherlands Posts: 222	You know what you should do, detective c9smw? Stop bitchin' and buy new at an AD. __________________ PP AP ROLEX OMEGA AP owners club

7 August 2015, 07:19 PM	#43
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7 August 2015, 07:27 PM	#44
rnrmbs "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Netherlands Posts: 222	I don't know what happened, so I won't give opinion about the case and/or what to do about it. But I do know this: The atmosphere created in this topic is leaning towards nailing a respected watch dealer on the cross. A couple self proclaimed detectives are chasing rainbows to do just that. It would be better, or more gentleman like, to solve this matter through PM. And I am absolutely sure Precisionwatches will come up with a solution to satisfy the buyer. __________________ PP AP ROLEX OMEGA AP owners club

7 August 2015, 08:43 PM	#48
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	it's a pity that the seller is not a member on this forum? it would have been good to hear his side of the story. can any of the Dutch members who have posted confirm that he is aware of this thread? thank you. __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

6 August 2015, 06:15 AM	#31
eonflux "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: SNA Posts: 3,614	Using pics of different watches is definitely shady. Hope you get your money back. Would not take money for problems you can readily see. Who know what else is wrong with the watch?

6 August 2015, 09:32 PM	#34
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,270	No but on the Dutch forum.

7 August 2015, 06:27 PM	#38
VictorPanerai Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 18	Stop fucking crying jerk off. I know Jaap and he probably mixed up two watches. I also know that he probably offered you a full refund as he does with all his unstatisfied customers. So did he offer you a full refund or not? And if you want absolute mint condition you should by new.

7 August 2015, 06:57 PM	#42
Fratellowatches "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Robert-Jan Location: The Netherlands Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 2	"So Precisionwatches.nl photoshops his pictures". I rarely post here (just read), but this topic had me triggered. I've bought watches from Jaap and so did a lot of (watch) friends. A standup guy who seem to have made a mistake by not looking careful enough at one of his watches. However, I hate to see a good dealer being pissed at in a topic title like this. Knowing Jaap a bit, he probably doesn't even have Photoshop or any other photo editing software. He probably mixed up photos as he had another similar Sub for sale as well, as I've read. He is a dealer and many watches go through his hands. This doesn't justify the mistake, but it is just an explanation of why this could have happened. My advice would be to get a full refund and send him the watch back. For you, the watch is contaminated, no matter if you have it repaired or serviced, and he has an unhappy customer (and getting his otherwise clean reputation smudged on a forum). So give each other's stuff back and move on. Get a new watch from somewhere else and let him have the watched fixed/repaired and sell it to someone else again who will be happy with it. What I don't get, is why all this raving and assumptions are posted here. Get in touch with Chrono24 or directly with Jaap and have it fixed in a normal and polite manner, before starting to rant on a forum. Doesn't make sense to me. In the end, to me it seems you both made mistakes (which is human), so deal with it in the best possible way. R

7 August 2015, 08:28 PM	#47
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,531	wow, the dutch sure are upset! such language to defend their countryman. seems like the seller made a few mistakes, and when one runs an internet company transacting in thousands and thousands of euros, mistakes shouldn't happen. when then do, because this is all internet-based, word (whether deservered or not) spreads fast. ok, sure, maybe (or probably, based on his supposed reputation) he'll "make things right", but, i would be rightly hesitant to buy from him.

7 August 2015, 09:26 PM	#50
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,270	Jaap generally has a good rep but there are a few complaints about him on TZ-UK as well, so it is always right to bring up any problems and just as important to also to tell us how he deals with them. And defending him in such a rude manner only hurts Jaap.

8 August 2015, 12:00 AM	#56
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,334	As this thread is now getting a bit out of hand, to the OP best keep this topic to yourself and the seller.But when you have both reached a satisfied outcome then re-post, until then this subject is closed. And to member VictorPanerai. There is no need for any bad language on forum,you have been warned, heed my warning as you will not be warned again. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

8 August 2015, 12:44 AM	#57
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