FAKE: FS: Rolex Submariner Date 116610 Ceramic Bezel Worn 10 Times Box Tag Spare Link

[artschool]

fascinating.

who needs soap operas when you have trf.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by onkyo

Karanrolex1984, can you tell us where you sourced this watch from ?

Beat me to it.

[77T]

Asked and answered.
EBay


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[joli160]

Great job Sacha

[dera]

Originally Posted by sachal007

Kumar is sending the watch back. He took a pic of the watch as proof prior to shipping it back.

On this picture - it's not even that good of a fake.

[southtexas]

As to hang tags, approximately when did Rolex "recall" all of its red tags from AD so to start using the green ones?

[77T]

IIRC April 2016


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[southtexas]

Originally Posted by 77T

IIRC April 2016


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Gracias!


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[jjlawyer]

Just to beat a dead horse, nobody mentioned yet that the listing for this fake watch says it was worn 10 times. Which now seems misleading as the seller is the second owner (at best) and purchased the watch on ebay.

[dysondiver]

Originally Posted by jjlawyer

Just to beat a dead horse, nobody mentioned yet that the listing for this fake watch says it was worn 10 times. Which now seems misleading as the seller is the second owner (at best) and purchased the watch on ebay.

but maybe he only wore it ten times ,,,

[520Matt]

And the banned seller never explained the other watch he allegedly had FS on another forum that was suspect. Perhaps this is one of the reasons he is now banned.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by southtexas

As to hang tags, approximately when did Rolex "recall" all of its red tags from AD so to start using the green ones?

July last year.

[77T]

Ah thanks Adam - thought it was more recent.


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[Colina19]

I looked forward to getting home today and reading this thread

[Andad]

If K had put up that last pix first we would have saved a lot of bandwidth.

[usrudiver932]

But I wudnt learn all these things the fake or genuine sites miss.

[the_Hunter]

One of the best threads I have read on TRF, thanks OP

[Watch Box]

If this is a replica, it is a VERY good one. The only thing that looked off to me is the date wheel, the rest of it looks exactly like my own 116610.



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[artschool]

is anyone else annoyed at the entitled nature of the seller.

part of me hopes that he was ripped off by the other eBay seller, because he just wanted to flip it for a quick buck anyhow.

although it looks like he is just a serial scammer.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by artschool

is anyone else annoyed at the entitled nature of the seller.

part of me hopes that he was ripped off by the other eBay seller, because he just wanted to flip it for a quick buck anyhow.

although it looks like he is just a serial scammer.

He's an entitled serial scammer. He might be the ebay scammer as well. The whole thing felt like a con towards the end.

[Bluside]

Where's SKYLUXE when you need him?

[WristEnvy]

Originally Posted by sachal007

Kumar is sending the watch back. He took a pic of the watch as proof prior to shipping it back.

Kumar's account is banned now. It's he just playing you at this point?

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[marcusjcw21]

It is possible that he has multiple accounts on ebay and pretended to buy it from his other account so that he would have an excuse if he got caught. Just saying...

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by sachal007

things you guys make me do while I am at work :D



If you still think this is gen, then be it!

I have to say outstanding work by OP.
Easy when seen side-by-side but not from just the "fake" piece.

I had the chance this week to study with a HD electronic microscope the very latest Swiss "Ultra Super Fakes"
These are reverse engineered from the Rolex movement.
I do not believe any untrained Pawn Broker could tell (indeed this one was duped"
From my perspective only 2 issues could be detected on the movement.

Regards
adam

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I have to say outstanding work by OP.
Easy when seen side-by-side but not from just the "fake" piece.

I had the chance this week to study with a HD electronic microscope the very latest Swiss "Ultra Super Fakes"
These are reverse engineered from the Rolex movement.
I do not believe any untrained Pawn Broker could tell (indeed this one was duped"
From my perspective only 2 issues could be detected on the movement.

Regards
adam

Are you saying that Swiss "Ultra Super Fakes" are produced by Swiss crime syndicates? Or are you saying that they are probably Chinese companies producing "Swiss Ultra Super Fakes?"

Also, are you saying that even the Rolex movement is perfectly reverse engineered? Can you tell us which Rolex movements you know to have been reverse engineered/counterfeited? I have seen 2 different crude reverse engineered 3135 movements. One seems very similar to a genuine 3135 except the balance and has no engraving and the jewel size on the automatic module. The other has similar (but wrong) engraving but many other easy to spot differences. I'm sure it could fool many untrained pawn shops, but it sounds as if you are talking about something newer that you have just found out about.

I don't know you, Adam, but you seem to really have a lot of knowledge and connections!

By the way, defrauding a pawn shop is a serious crime in most if not all places.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

Are you saying that Swiss "Ultra Super Fakes" are produced by Swiss crime syndicates? Or are you saying that they are probably Chinese companies producing "Swiss Ultra Super Fakes?"

Also, are you saying that even the Rolex movement is perfectly reverse engineered? Can you tell us which Rolex movements you know to have been reverse engineered/counterfeited? I have seen 2 different crude reverse engineered 3135 movements. One seems very similar to a genuine 3135 except the balance and has no engraving and the jewel size on the automatic module. The other has similar (but wrong) engraving but many other easy to spot differences. I'm sure it could fool many untrained pawn shops, but it sounds as if you are talking about something newer that you have just found out about.

I don't know you, Adam, but you seem to really have a lot of knowledge and connections!

By the way, defrauding a pawn shop is a serious crime in most if not all places.

Hi what I can tell you, that i saw/examined with my own eyes

These watches were reversed engineered and made in Switzerland. I understand a Chinese company is also done that, but I have NOT handled a Chinese one.

They have reversed engineered the 3135 (and its variations)

I promise, you will not spot the differences in these so easy, I used a High Definition Electronic Microscope to show the class.

They had already bought it for a LOT of money, as it had a mother of pearl face with diamonds and diamond bezel.

The case, dial and bracelet quality was much less sophisticated.

No Pawn shop or untrained eye could spot the movement in corrections and sadly that is what this Pawn Shop based it on!

Its truly very scary!
A

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Hi what I can tell you, that i saw/examined with my own eyes

These watches were reversed engineered and made in Switzerland. I understand a Chinese company is also done that, but I have NOT handled a Chinese one.

They have reversed engineered the 3135 (and its variations)

I promise, you will not spot the differences in these so easy, I used a High Definition Electronic Microscope to show the class.

They had already bought it for a LOT of money, as it had a mother of pearl face with diamonds and diamond bezel.

The case, dial and bracelet quality was much less sophisticated.

No Pawn shop or untrained eye could spot the movement in corrections and sadly that is what this Pawn Shop based it on!

Its truly very scary!
A

Oh boy... One can't help but wonder, though, how much money they must have invested in getting set up to produce all of the necessary parts to produce these fakes. If any employee, wife, or girlfriend gets upset enough with management, the whole operation will get uncovered. Either people will suddenly disappear (not by choice) or will end up in Swiss prisons. You probably don't want to get caught counterfeiting Rolex watches in Switzerland.

I remember years ago hearing about this Jaquet case and an armed robbery of a vehicle carrying Rolex watch cases. http://www.professionaljeweler.com/a...1603story.html

[GLADIATOR]

Thanks Marcus, interesting link.
What I can also say, that after inspecting this "ultra fake" I was brought two other pieces that I suspected, and I was actually getting over paranoid.
In the other two cases the movements were original, only the dials were after market, but the difference between the genuine from these "ultra fakes" was mighty close.

Long gone are the the colored reversing wheels the distinguishing way!

A

[freefly]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Hi what I can tell you, that i saw/examined with my own eyes

These watches were reversed engineered and made in Switzerland. I understand a Chinese company is also done that, but I have NOT handled a Chinese one.

They have reversed engineered the 3135 (and its variations)

I promise, you will not spot the differences in these so easy, I used a High Definition Electronic Microscope to show the class.

They had already bought it for a LOT of money, as it had a mother of pearl face with diamonds and diamond bezel.

The case, dial and bracelet quality was much less sophisticated.

No Pawn shop or untrained eye could spot the movement in corrections and sadly that is what this Pawn Shop based it on!

Its truly very scary!
A

I have yet to se a complete "Swiss made" counterfeit Rolex. Most of the stories out there or their existence are just that...stories.

There are certainly modded fakes and frankens put together with genuine Rolex parts. However, most if not all of the "super ultra clone" fakes still come out of SE Asia AFAIK.

Post some pics of this unicorn!

[dera]

Originally Posted by freefly

I have yet to se a complete "Swiss made" counterfeit Rolex. Most of the stories out there or their existence are just that...stories.

There are certainly modded fakes and frankens put together with genuine Rolex parts. However, most if not all of the "super ultra clone" fakes still come out of SE Asia AFAIK.

Post some pics of this unicorn!

Taiwan used to be another place where a lot of these "super fakes" come from.
Swiss fakes are an urban myth, something I don't believe before seeing proof.