A Second Social Experiment

[HogwldFLTR]

For saturation diving which would you choose?

1) Rolex Sub C 114060

2) Tudor Pelagos

[G'ed]

A proper dive comp?

[lhawli]

#2 due to the He valve.


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[Chewbacca]

I voted R but, when did T win out before R in any comparable modern reference watch comparison?

[PascalSwiss]

Interesting poll
I didn't vote because I don't dive...

[Bryant Park]

Neither. I would hire a diver.

[Hotrod297]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

Neither. I would hire a diver.

[Blackdog]

I would take option C. A Seiko Tuna. Why risk an expensive watch ? If I were attempting a saturation dive I have other things to focus on.

(For those who don't know, the Seiko Tuna was designed for sat diving. It does not have a HEV. It was built to avoid He ingress into the watch to begin with. It has a very dependable purpose designed quartz movement and it's relatively inexpensive).

[run23]

Serious question-- for a saturation dive is a HE valve necessary, or is it just a nice to have? Assuming one would wear a mechanical dive watch at all.

[GradyPhilpott]

I'm no diver, but I know that if you value your watch, you'll want a helium escape valve if you're doing saturation dives.

We all know that almost no one buys a Sea Dweller, DSSD, or Pelagos because they have HEVs.

Originally Posted by run23

Serious question-- for a saturation dive is a HE valve necessary, or is it just a nice to have? Assuming one would wear a mechanical dive watch at all.

If you like to have a crystal on your watch, you'll need an HEV.

[77T]

An HEV, yes...
A Tudor,no...

The Sub is a false choice to put in the poll IMHO

Saw this article earlier this year: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/wh...rs-do-about-it


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[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by run23

Serious question-- for a saturation dive is a HE valve necessary, or is it just a nice to have? Assuming one would wear a mechanical dive watch at all.

Yes it is necessary.

Originally Posted by 77T

An HEV, yes...
A Tudor,no...

The Sub is a false choice to put in the poll IMHO

Saw this article earlier this year: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/wh...rs-do-about-it


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Choose one or the other; so many anti Tudor individuals on the forum that they'd rather choose a watch which is useless for the described purpose than a Tudor. This is a true Social Experiment. My thought is that most who buy Rolex don't have a clue as how they can perform. Or maybe I'm just cynical.

[rushca01]

Originally Posted by 77T

An HEV, yes...
A Tudor,no...

The Sub is a false choice to put in the poll IMHO

Saw this article earlier this year: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/wh...rs-do-about-it


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Very cool article, always been fascinated with deep diving and underwater living ever since seeing "the abyss".

Also, I voted Pelagos for obvious reasons.

[gregmoeck]

why do you need a watch? If you are diving deep enough or long enough you have a computer which will save your life, a watch wont.

[Dr.Smellody]

I'll stay in the hot tub.

[HogwldFLTR]

So far I'm amazed by the results; people would rather destroy a Rolex then wear a watch that would function as it was designed and survive. Unbelievable!!!

[lhawli]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

So far I'm amazed by the results; people would rather destroy a Rolex then wear a watch that would function as it was designed and survive. Unbelievable!!!

Comes to show how bias and twisted many of the X vs Y threads are. Even when given a choice here on this thread (granted the SubC was not a fair alternative), the SubC is still ahead in the polls for a dive it was clearly not designed for.

A true social experiment indeed!


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[Devildog]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

So far I'm amazed by the results; people would rather destroy a Rolex then wear a watch that would function as it was designed and survive. Unbelievable!!!

Very clever thread Lee

But are you really surprised at the result?

I, like you, would wear my SD (if I was a saturation diver!)

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

So far I'm amazed by the results; people would rather destroy a Rolex then wear a watch that would function as it was designed and survive. Unbelievable!!!

Sat diving is described as;


For the recreational diver on air, that limit is 130 feet. For the helmet air supplied commercial diver, it is probably 200 feet. For the mixed gas helmet diver, it is probably 300 feet with a bell-bounce diver going to 600 feet for short durations. For the mixed gas saturation diver, perhaps 2,000 feet.


You never said how deep.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

So far I'm amazed by the results; people would rather destroy a Rolex then wear a watch that would function as it was designed and survive. Unbelievable!!!

Now see, this is a clever thread. The last one wasn't a real fair comparison, but this one is truly a demonstration of how so many people simply vote one way because of the Coronet, never mind that it would get destroyed anyways.

[meganfox17]

My turn ! Pelagos is the creme de la creme of the tool watches , It's way cooler, the HEV is really its soul for saturation diving.

[Star Ferry]

Voted 114060 so I can live out my dream of being 007. I would make sure to wear the same watch with my tuxedo that night

[padi56]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

For saturation diving which would you choose?

1) Rolex Sub C 114060

2) Tudor Pelagos

The Rolex Sub is unsuitable for saturation diving as for that type of diving you would need plenty of experience and training. And for that type of diving you will need a HEV when breathing a helium gas mix for the gas that may have entered the watch in the chamber while you was de-compressing to normal atmospheric surface pressure to escape from the watch case.Helium gases molecules are that small that when saturation divers living in the dry chambers breathing gas mixes with high helium content at the pressure depth they are working at.The high pressure gas can pass through the crystal and seals,now when the divers de-compress via the dry chamber to normal surface atmospheric pressure. The gas expands and escapes through the HEV if there was no valve the crystal the weakest point would just blow with the expanded de-pressurised gas in the case.

A normal recreational scuba diver which is not saturation diving would have no need to use any type of HEV on any watch.Think of it this way take a balloon down to 10m underwater.Thats 2 atmospheres one water one surface air pressure.Now fill that balloon with air at that pressure of 2 atmospheres,because the compressed air is now under-pressure and quite dense, you can fill it but the amount of air content would be twice as much as normal above water surface pressure.Now release that balloon and let it go back to the surface because of the return to one atmosphere normal surface air pressure balloon would expand and burst simply because there was twice as much air in it at normal one atmosphere air surface pressure.

[gregmoeck]

I was diving in Palau at the blue corner. I thought it was cool to wear my sea dweller until I noticed it dangling from my wrist at the safety stop, never again.

[travisb]

Pelagos. HEV, titanium and a clasp that's right up there with the glidelock.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by gregmoeck

why do you need a watch? If you are diving deep enough or long enough you have a computer which will save your life, a watch wont.

I would go with this. The Pelagos is not a cheap watch and if you are going to spend that kind of coin then you have to really like the watch, the functions themselves are nowhere near worth the cost, they are a bonus.

[ras47]

Pelagos given the flawed choices offered. In the real world I’d take an Omega Seamaster or a Rolex Sea Dweller.

[FTX I]

I don't understand why some people get upset because not everyone loves Tudor. If not for the SS Day-Date that Adam owns I'd not give any Tudor a second look. We all have different tastes and that shouldn't be a problem.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by FTX I

I don't understand why some people get upset because not everyone loves Tudor. If not for the SS Day-Date that Adam owns I'd not give any Tudor a second look. We all have different tastes and that shouldn't be a problem.

x2... I like Tudor, but I don't think the value is necessarily better than Rolex. For a somewhat apples-to-apples comparison I tried on an OP 36 and a BB 36. The BB36 was a little more than half the cost of the OP36.

In terms of value per dollar, I didn't find the BB any better than the Rolex. fit/finish below Rolex standard, especially when you compare the bracelets. And that's before considering the BB36 uses an ETA 2824 movement

For around $2800 the BB36 was a nice watch. Definitely better than most watches in the sub-$3000 category. But the OP36 at $5400 was offering a lot of bang-for-buck as well (in-house superlative chronometer, great case and dial finish, oyster bracelet)

[BNA/LION]

of the two... Rolex 114060