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5aad · 12 April 2017, 04:54 AM

Okay, so I am looking to get this two tone submariner. It's all pretty legit. Everything including the movement seems fine. The only problem being the bezel is rotating bidirectionally (with normal clicks as you would expect on Sub). What could be the problem? Is it an easy fix?

Chewbacca · 12 April 2017, 04:58 AM

normal clicks both ways? interesting.

post a pic of it before buying. might be a Fugazi Ltd. Edition.

5aad · 12 April 2017, 05:03 AM

Etschell · 12 April 2017, 05:06 AM

i wouldnt buy that either fake or broken.

The Libertine · 12 April 2017, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Etschell

i wouldnt buy that either fake or broken.

Yes, Submariner bezel should only rotate in a counter-clockwise direction.

5aad · 12 April 2017, 05:27 AM

I know it should. But could anyone tell me what exactly could be broken that maybe causing this? And is it something that can be fixed?

The Libertine · 12 April 2017, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 5aad

I know it should. But could anyone tell me what exactly could be broken that maybe causing this? And is it something that can be fixed?

Could be the spring that connects to ratcheting mechanism may be broke....

mjclark32 · 12 April 2017, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Libertine

Could be the spring that connects to ratcheting mechanism may be broke....

My guess too

5aad · 12 April 2017, 05:47 AM

Thanks a lot. That's what I was suspecting as well. I'll go again and take a look, see if they can remove the bezel and check what's wrong, if it's not a big deal and something that can easily be repaired in the future, might go for it since I won't really be using it for diving.

MovieGuy · 12 April 2017, 05:50 AM

How old is the Submariner? On pre-ceramic Submariners they use a click spring that only allows uni-directional bezel turning. However, if the click spring is broken or if someone replaced it with a click spring from a GMT-Master then it would result in being able to rotate bi-directionally.

5aad · 12 April 2017, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MovieGuy

How old is the Submariner? On pre-ceramic Submariners they use a click spring that only allows uni-directional bezel turning. However, if the click spring is broken or if someone replaced it with a click spring from a GMT-Master then it would result in being able to rotate bi-directionally.

Thank for the reply

Yes, I feel the clicks (not the frequency of clicks) feel similar to those that are on GMT. Maybe it's just me but from what I have experienced, GMTs tend to have a slightly softer/smoother click than submariner. So it's possibly exactly what you are suggesting.

watchwatcher · 12 April 2017, 07:26 AM

I would want some explanation from the seller why the bezel moves bi-directionally. Also, if you haven't already, you might want to request some pics here to see if there are any other "tells".

5aad · 12 April 2017, 08:09 AM

Here are the photos

5aad · 12 April 2017, 08:12 AM

My apologies for the malrotated photos. I used my phone to upload, they appeared alright in it, don't know what went wrong.
Anyway, in the photos the bezel seems matte-ish but it has normal glossy finish in reality.

Etschell · 12 April 2017, 09:20 AM

Appears to be a fake to me. Date wheel and date wheel font, pearl, color of the gold. I'd air on the side of caution and not buy it

FTX I · 12 April 2017, 09:21 AM

I would avoid a Sub with bi-directional bezel no matter what. Too many perfect ones out there.

justdate · 12 April 2017, 09:24 AM

I'm no expert by any means (why I always buy from AD!) but that watch doesn't look quite right to me, I'd wait to find one which works properly as it should.

The Libertine · 12 April 2017, 09:28 AM

I would pass.

2th_doc · 12 April 2017, 09:40 AM

Pass

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taylor · 12 April 2017, 10:09 AM

date alignment looks off

Vanessa CW21 · 12 April 2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MovieGuy

if someone replaced it with a click spring from a GMT-Master then it would result in being able to rotate bi-directionally.

That's what I was going to say. They can check that by removing the bezel. It's easily popped back on.

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5aad · 12 April 2017, 08:16 PM

Thank you everyone for the input.
So I took the watch to the Rolex boutique to verify the authenticity, he watch is legit.
Secondly, I had them look under thev bezel, turns out the spring had been replaced with a GMT spring by the previous owner. Might actually go for the watch as it's a good bargain. Thanks again everyone for the effort to help. Appreciate it

beshannon · 24 August 2017, 05:23 AM

Love the completely crooked zero at the 40 marker!

Luap1976 · 24 August 2017, 05:29 AM

Insert cracked near the pearl

sager · 24 August 2017, 05:51 AM

Stay Away!

saskmh · 24 August 2017, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5aad

Thank you everyone for the input.
So I took the watch to the Rolex boutique to verify the authenticity, he watch is legit.
Secondly, I had them look under thev bezel, turns out the spring had been replaced with a GMT spring by the previous owner. Might actually go for the watch as it's a good bargain. Thanks again everyone for the effort to help. Appreciate it

Personally the unidirectional bezel is a pain for me. I prefer the bi-directional rotation of the GMT. I actually put GMT click springs in any of my unidirectional bezels. It's easier to time my steaks on the bbq that way

watchwatcher · 24 August 2017, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 5aad

Thank you everyone for the input.
So I took the watch to the Rolex boutique to verify the authenticity, he watch is legit.
Secondly, I had them look under thev bezel, turns out the spring had been replaced with a GMT spring by the previous owner. Might actually go for the watch as it's a good bargain. Thanks again everyone for the effort to help. Appreciate it

So...did you get it?

Al1969 · 24 August 2017, 09:07 AM

Al1969 · 24 August 2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by watchwatcher

So...did you get it?

OP is now banned.

Tools · 24 August 2017, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Al1969

OP is now banned.

That's because this watch, and the other one he tried to pass off as authentic, are not..

12 April 2017, 04:54 AM	#1
5aad Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London, UK Posts: 8	Bidirectional ceramic bezel - Submariner Okay, so I am looking to get this two tone submariner. It's all pretty legit. Everything including the movement seems fine. The only problem being the bezel is rotating bidirectionally (with normal clicks as you would expect on Sub). What could be the problem? Is it an easy fix?

12 April 2017, 05:06 AM	#4
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	i wouldnt buy that either fake or broken. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

12 April 2017, 09:20 AM	#15
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	Appears to be a fake to me. Date wheel and date wheel font, pearl, color of the gold. I'd air on the side of caution and not buy it __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

24 August 2017, 05:23 AM	#23
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,895	Love the completely crooked zero at the 40 marker! __________________ Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Glashutte Senator Exellence, Rolex 116710 GMT Master II BLNR, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent

24 August 2017, 09:07 AM	#28
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,601	__________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

12 April 2017, 04:58 AM	#2
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	normal clicks both ways? interesting. post a pic of it before buying. might be a Fugazi Ltd. Edition.

12 April 2017, 05:03 AM	#3
5aad Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London, UK Posts: 8

12 April 2017, 05:27 AM	#6
5aad Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London, UK Posts: 8	I know it should. But could anyone tell me what exactly could be broken that maybe causing this? And is it something that can be fixed?

12 April 2017, 05:47 AM	#9
5aad Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London, UK Posts: 8	Thanks a lot. That's what I was suspecting as well. I'll go again and take a look, see if they can remove the bezel and check what's wrong, if it's not a big deal and something that can easily be repaired in the future, might go for it since I won't really be using it for diving.

12 April 2017, 05:50 AM	#10
MovieGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 631	How old is the Submariner? On pre-ceramic Submariners they use a click spring that only allows uni-directional bezel turning. However, if the click spring is broken or if someone replaced it with a click spring from a GMT-Master then it would result in being able to rotate bi-directionally.

12 April 2017, 07:26 AM	#12
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 34,479	I would want some explanation from the seller why the bezel moves bi-directionally. Also, if you haven't already, you might want to request some pics here to see if there are any other "tells".

12 April 2017, 08:12 AM	#14
5aad Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London, UK Posts: 8	My apologies for the malrotated photos. I used my phone to upload, they appeared alright in it, don't know what went wrong. Anyway, in the photos the bezel seems matte-ish but it has normal glossy finish in reality.

12 April 2017, 09:21 AM	#16
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,652	I would avoid a Sub with bi-directional bezel no matter what. Too many perfect ones out there.

12 April 2017, 09:24 AM	#17
justdate "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: RJ Location: UK Coast Watch: PP/AP/Rolex Posts: 1,328	I'm no expert by any means (why I always buy from AD!) but that watch doesn't look quite right to me, I'd wait to find one which works properly as it should.

12 April 2017, 09:28 AM	#18
The Libertine Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Mike Location: BOS Watch: 16710;14060;214270 Posts: 6,375	I would pass.

12 April 2017, 09:40 AM	#19
2th_doc "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Atl Posts: 920	Pass Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12 April 2017, 10:09 AM	#20
taylor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: StL Posts: 447	date alignment looks off

12 April 2017, 08:16 PM	#22
5aad Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London, UK Posts: 8	Thank you everyone for the input. So I took the watch to the Rolex boutique to verify the authenticity, he watch is legit. Secondly, I had them look under thev bezel, turns out the spring had been replaced with a GMT spring by the previous owner. Might actually go for the watch as it's a good bargain. Thanks again everyone for the effort to help. Appreciate it

24 August 2017, 05:29 AM	#24
Luap1976 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London Uk Watch: 116610lnBBetaBBhar Posts: 985	Insert cracked near the pearl

24 August 2017, 05:51 AM	#25
sager "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Sage Location: MENA Posts: 1,562	Stay Away!

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