Panerai PVD models

[jacksonian]

Originally Posted by Travelller

I didn't realize the 009B series were also using T Swiss T dials. What's the main difference between the A & B series?

You need a better expert on all that than me. The 9B series changed from T dials to L dials somewhere during that year. So there are 9BTs and 9BLs out there. I can't find the article on Paneristi right now, but I think someone went through the history of the pre-A 9 --> 9A --> 9BT --> 9BL

There's a 4B-T dial for sale on Paneristi right now I believe.

[Travelller]

Originally Posted by jacksonian

...So there are 9BTs and 9BLs out there. I can't find the article on Paneristi right now...

Yes we can! But it didn't help. He's too busy comparing pre-As to As...

No matter, your clarification works for me

[RUpanerai]

Pre A are T-Swiss-T markings. Made before 1998.

A series are T Swiss T markings, made during 1998/1999

B series are L Swiss L and T Swiss T markings, made in 1999/2000 roughly.

The T Swiss T will have a 6502 case back while the L Swiss Ls are typically 6519 or 6522, Im pretty sure.

The B series T dials are the most rare, but the Pre A and A are the most sought after. There is no difference between the A and B series if they both have T dials.

The Pre A dials have scalloped numbers, giving it more depth and character.

Those are the best PVD pieces. The PVD for the latter series have changed and are not as nice IMHO as the earlier PVD models such as the A or B. If you really want one, go for the A or B or have someone coat you at base model.

[Travelller]

Originally Posted by RUpanerai

...The Pre A dials have scalloped* numbers, giving it more depth and character...

Agreed - love the way they look like they were beveled out by hand

*EDIT: wait - what do you mean by "scalloped"? All pre-Vs, pre-As, As, Bs, ... current-day logos and lots in between have single-layer beveled dials which as "filled" with lume...

Thanks for the reinforcement of info

[RUpanerai]

Only the Pre V dials with T-Swiss-T have the scalloped numbers...

You are correct they are filled but the earlier ones have been filled and are a cross between the sandwich and painted dials, they are painted but appear to have more depth and character, making the Pre As the most desirable out of the lot of T dials.

If you search Pre A 2, you will see what I mean with the dial variations and their difference from A series and above.

Originally Posted by Travelller

Agreed - love the way they look like they were beveled out by hand

*EDIT: wait - what do you mean by "scalloped"? All pre-Vs, pre-As, As, Bs, ... current-day logos and lots in between have single-layer beveled dials which as "filled" with lume...

Thanks for the reinforcement of info

[Travelller]

Originally Posted by RUpanerai

Only the Pre V dials with T-Swiss-T have the scalloped numbers...

Yes, you already stated that but I'm still fuzzy on the term "scalloped"...

Looking at Volker's now-famous comparison...


they do vary but they are all single-layer dials...

[RUpanerai]

Nice picture to reference... from top left to bottom right, the first 3 are the scalloped numbers, where it looks like someone took an ice cream scoop to hollow out the numbers. The next 3 are not as "good" and are closer to A series.

Originally Posted by Travelller

Yes, you already stated that but I'm still fuzzy on the term "scalloped"...

Looking at Volker's now-famous comparison...


they do vary but they are all single-layer dials...

[Travelller]

Originally Posted by RUpanerai

...the first 3 are the scalloped numbers...

Alright, now we're in synch terminology-wise and yes, agree, I'd love a "scalloped" dial

[Philipp777]

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[Gerry62]

Originally Posted by RUpanerai

Pre A are T-Swiss-T markings. Made before 1998.

A series are T Swiss T markings, made during 1998/1999

B series are L Swiss L and T Swiss T markings, made in 1999/2000 roughly.

The T Swiss T will have a 6502 case back while the L Swiss Ls are typically 6519 or 6522, Im pretty sure.

The B series T dials are the most rare, but the Pre A and A are the most sought after. There is no difference between the A and B series if they both have T dials.

The Pre A dials have scalloped numbers, giving it more depth and character.

Those are the best PVD pieces. The PVD for the latter series have changed and are not as nice IMHO as the earlier PVD models such as the A or B. If you really want one, go for the A or B or have someone coat you at base model.

my 009 B series L Swiss L
in the case 6521
year 1999