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[Mosco]

Originally Posted by ijen0311

Good members?

Let's see... Mosco, JJ, Jocke, whathisname1957, Lisa, myself....


...where exactly are these good members?

Right here!

[2careless]

Originally Posted by rscott4079

I'm sorry I ever found this unhappy place.

If you don't find TRF an enjoyable experience, you don't have to be here...

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes

......I am a mod on another board, where there is a moderator's section, so I don't buy the "behind the scenes" excuses that I have heard before when questions like yours are raised.....

Looking at what you said above I don't accept or see how that can in any way be described as 'mere hyperbol'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
It was not a figure of speech or a literary device to create emphasis, but a positive assertion that I and/or the moderators were acting dishonestly.
That is a very serious matter to allege against anyone. So again you need to back it up.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by rscott4079

...A member comments about it and the moderators begin the attack....

Just to get things straight, the member Edmond Dantes made an unsupported statement that the moderators and I were lying and in effect corrupt.

I just asked for that to be backed up with substance, as I expect you would if someone announced to the world you were a liar.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes

Okay, if that's the statement that requires an explanation, then I apologize for making it. It was mere hyperbole.

Cheers,

Mike

Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike. Mikey Mikey Mikey Mikey Mikey. Still playing that tired old game?

Hyperbole? It couldn't possibly be anything like your hyperbolic claim to represent ... what was that? Oh yes - "most of the readers here realize"?

Tut tut tut. Don't you ever learn?

Now, because of your shenanigans, we've got a forum owner who's feeling real maligned and defamed and a new member who's horrified. I do hope you're happy now because otherwise all of this brouhaha you've caused would be for bugger-all, and that would be a real crime.

By the way, wherever did you learn to read? I suggest you have your solicitor file suit against them for breach of contract. Bad enough that you were previously as illiterate as to not understand the ludicrous inaccuracy of your claim to represent the majority of members here, now when Steve asks for an explanation, you offer an apology?

It's not mere hyperbole, pumpkin, and that flimsy apology is nowhere near an effective smokescreen so you can worm your way out of another mess you've created. You popped up on this thread to cause trouble and not only the mods but the members have your number. This matter's nowhere near closed.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes

Okay, I just saw this reply after re-reading the thread. Again, same apology for talking in hyperbole. No I am not calling you a liar.

No, actually, I'll call you a liar, and unlike you I'll provide an explanation for that view upfront instead of tucking my tail and running like you do. As Steve has already demonstrated, what you did was by definition not the "mere hyperbole" that you tried to characterise it as.

With the statement "so I don't buy the "behind the scenes" excuses that I have heard before when questions like yours are raised", especially with the use of the word "excuses", you have made a very specific charge that not only are the moderators making things up, members like Mosco are as well.

Do you really think that you can puff your chest out, say, "I said I'm sorry and that's all you're going to get out of me", and expect to be allowed to slither back under your rock?

Hell, you're not only a liar, but you're a cheat and a coward as well.

Steve asked for an explanation behind the charge you laid against the mods. Now where is it?

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by rscott4079

Amazing. I make a thread about a lack of civility, and it becomes uncivil. A member comments about it and the moderators begin the attack. The other members smell blood in the water and the sharks start to swirl.

I'm sorry I ever found this unhappy place.

Sorry you feel that way, Rich, but that's the way we do things round these parts.

Greg hit the nail on the head with the phrase "man-like". Members here are expected to act like adults, not play passive-aggressive games by dropping controversial claims and then running away to watch the mess they created.

If you read between the lines on this forum, you'll find that there's an underlying philosophy of accountability amongst the stalwart members of the forum who set the tone of this place. There's no tolerance for people who like to play victims and shove other people into the position of persecutors here, and that's the way it ought to be amongst adults.

When we consider civility on this forum, it goes much deeper than the surface level. Here you have someone who's made the right sounds, but underlying that he was just taking an opportunity to allege that the mods are liars. We've had enough smiling assassins skulk about this forum over the years to recognise Dante's scummy tactics for precisely what they are.

Again, I'm raising this for your consideration but the bottom line is that's just the way it is.

[ijen0311]

it's time to call...

[Latrodectus]

Originally Posted by ijen0311

it's time to call...

x2 absolutely

[Gedanken]

Now Jen, let it not be said that inadequate opportunity was given for miscreants to climb out of the holes they've dug for themselves.

The fact is that an apology is not enough. The way Dantes has put it, I'm not convinced that he's made a genuine apology since he hasn't even demonstrated any understanding of what he's done in the first place. It appears he's simply apologising to make the mods go away, adding insult to injury. If he's any sort of man he needs to face the music instead of making snide remarks and running off like some kid.

[Lol-x]

O.K. well I guess we have been around the block a few times now, seems like we are not getting anywhere fast, and I did promise a fast outcome.

[diablojota]

Bye-bye!

[abigsecret]

So entertaining!

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

O.K. well I guess we have been around the block a few times now, seems like we are not getting anywhere fast, and I did promise a fast outcome.

At least no one can accuse you or the 'mods' for dragging it out!

The 'sad place' statement still kinda gets me.... 1st, it ticks me off - how can someone so unfamiliar with TRF make such a blanket assertion? We are a community, and just like ANY community we have good days, bad days, and everything in between. We share our happiness, our sorrows...

2nd - it amuses me. Rich, you have no idea what kind of fun you will have if you actually take the time to get to know us. Believe me, my entrance was rocky to say the least, but as grown men we learn from our mistakes and move on. You sound like a decent guy, don't let one bad experience caused by a troll give you an overall idea that this is a 'sad place'. Mogadishu - now that's a sad place. TRF is a family with infinite amounts of knowledge, wisdom, and members who, as JJ said, will do anything for one another, even if a formal face-to-face has not taken place. Take this for what it is worth.

[DSJ]

Dante's Inferno?

[Gedanken]

I had wanted to say that he was toast, David, but I decided that would not have been in good taste.

[redshirt1957]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

instead of making snide remarks and running off like some kid.

Please don't tell me that is the new standard of conduct for members like ole' HoofandMouth76 and me. Doomed. We are both DOOMED.

[Gedanken]

Nah, you guys guffaw as you run off - that makes it all right.

[ippon20]

I find it so amusing how many times people decide their own fate. It seems as though the people that complain so much are those that don't know when to drop it and in the end get themselves banned. I don't see the "bullying", but I do see people getting asked to prove their claims. However, when they respond again...they only seem to fall back a little deeper into the hole. Respect to the MOD's for keeping them honest IMO, it's the way it should be.

[ijen0311]

I really find these threads uncomfortable. Of course there's the option of not reading them, but I'll just say my peace (and I've said this before).

I think these mod vs. member agruments should be in PM and not in a thread. I understand public discussions of rules, but all these insults and one-ups (and both sides are guilty) should be private. Just my opinion.

I like all the mods, and I think the OP seemed like a nice person as well.

My

[Numismatist]

One wonders if the continuing length and depth of insults/attacks/etc. is encouraging troll-like entities to start these threads for their own amusement. I've noticed an uptick in the number of these types of threads recently, and like Jen, they make me a little uncomfortable.

Glad the mods get rid of them in the end, but maybe - just maybe - it encourages more?

[Gedanken]

Appreciate the sentiments, Jen and Chris, and rest assured that PM route has been tried and found severely wanting. When things were kept in private, the most vile and false accusations were made against the mods, such as one member publicly accusing a mod of attacking the member's child in PMs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Transparency, unpleasant as it is, has been shown by experience to be the only sane option.

In any case, if a member decides to call us out publicly, as in the present case, hey, that's no skin off our noses because we have nothing to hide. If these members are big enough to get into this sort of thing, they really ought to be prepared to be big enough to get out of it.

[diablojota]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Appreciate the sentiments, Jen and Chris, and rest assured that PM route has been tried and found severely wanting. When things were kept in private, the most vile and false accusations were made against the mods, such as one member publicly accusing a mod of attacking the member's child in PMs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Transparency, unpleasant as it is, has been shown by experience to be the only sane option.

In any case, if a member decides to call us out publicly, as in the present case, hey, that's no skin off our noses because we have nothing to hide. If these members are big enough to get into this sort of thing, they really ought to be prepared to be big enough to get out of it.

That's a great explanation for why you all handle things this way. That definitely makes sense to me. And it helps that you are fairly transparent. The only thing that I would say would be beneficial is when a member gets banned to explain why, as this issue is often "skirted" upon without any real direct answer. It would be nice to know what to look out for, from both our side as well as a new poster to make sure they keep their act together...

Anyway, your explanation makes sense, and to me is a very safe way to do it. That way you have plenty of witnesses to see who struck first.

[ijen0311]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Appreciate the sentiments, Jen and Chris, and rest assured that PM route has been tried and found severely wanting. When things were kept in private, the most vile and false accusations were made against the mods, such as one member publicly accusing a mod of attacking the member's child in PMs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Transparency, unpleasant as it is, has been shown by experience to be the only sane option.

In any case, if a member decides to call us out publicly, as in the present case, hey, that's no skin off our noses because we have nothing to hide. If these members are big enough to get into this sort of thing, they really ought to be prepared to be big enough to get out of it.

I definitely get that. I've sure gotten my share of freak-a-loo PMs...

You're not damned in my mind, you know I love you and all the other mods, James! I think part of the the discomfort is just wishing that the dingalings would stop arguing with the higher powers.

[Mosco]

Jen, BTW the OP didn't get banned, it was the guy who responded to his post and came in just to start trouble...

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by ijen0311

I think part of the the discomfort is just wishing that the dingalings would stop arguing with the higher powers.

Yeah, well, you know kids will be kids, and they'll always have a tendency to try and raise the stakes to get their own way. If they want to land on their asses in the middle of a shopping mall and kick and scream while they demand an ice cream, it would be irresponsible of us to give in, wouldn't it? The only thing we can do is to show them that such tactics won't work and hope that some sense kicks in before things go too far.

[ijen0311]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Yeah, well, you know kids will be kids, and they'll always have a tendency to try and raise the stakes to get their own way. If they want to land on their asses in the middle of a shopping mall and kick and scream while they demand an ice cream, it would be irresponsible of us to give in, wouldn't it? The only thing we can do is to show them that such tactics won't work and hope that some sense kicks in before things go too far.

[redshirt1957]

Originally Posted by ijen0311

I definitely get that. I've sure gotten my share of freak-a-loo PMs...

What did I write this time?