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15450ST 26 30.23%
5167A 60 69.77%
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Old 16 January 2020, 06:05 PM   #1
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15450ST (blue dial) vs 5167A

Is the blue version of the 15450ST objectively a better watch than the 5167A?

It (kind of) competes with the 5711A, has a hacking movement, integrated bracelet, small but wears like a 40mm, probably sturdier than the 5167A, ages really well, is less inflated in price on the grey market, can be resized, and paradoxically both dressier and sportier than the 5167A.

The 5167A probably wins on two fronts: brand value and modesty.

What is the general opinion here?
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Old 16 January 2020, 06:37 PM   #2
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If you removed the PP name on the 5167 no one would buy it
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Old 16 January 2020, 06:44 PM   #3
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I like both. But I chose the 15450 (two of them in fact, one blue dial and one silver dial) because i think it’s a better looking watch.

The rubber strap on the Aquanaut is a big plus, I’d love to be able to put a rubber strap on one of the Oaks. That said, the metal bracelet on the Aquanaut offends me deeply, so it’s rubber only as far as I’m concerned.




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Old 16 January 2020, 09:13 PM   #4
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You asked about an AP on the Patek board. I think it'd be fair if you open a poll on the AP side. I think the votes would turn in AP's favour
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Old 16 January 2020, 10:00 PM   #5
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I really wanted to like the 15450, had chances to buy blue and silver , but just didn’t like the proportions and think the 5167 (which I bought @ msrp) is a much more attractive and comfortable watch.


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Old 16 January 2020, 10:18 PM   #6
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I would take a RO over a basic Aqua, nicer dial and bracelet, but if you want to join the PP family, which is a very valid desire, then the Aqua is a great start.
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Old 16 January 2020, 10:35 PM   #7
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I would take a RO over a basic Aqua, nicer dial and bracelet, but if you want to join the PP family, which is a very valid desire, then the Aqua is a great start.


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Old 16 January 2020, 10:57 PM   #8
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I gave up a royal oak 15202 for an Aqua. Had no regrets. changing the date on the RO after not wearing a few days was a massive PIA
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Old 16 January 2020, 11:04 PM   #9
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I gave up a royal oak 15202 for an Aqua. Had no regrets. changing the date on the RO after not wearing a few days was a massive PIA


Why was it hard to change the date on the RO?


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Old 16 January 2020, 11:13 PM   #10
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The 15202 has a different movement than the 15400. Just very time consuming and pair that with the amount of times I wore it in the rotation it just wasn't worth it to me.
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Old 16 January 2020, 11:24 PM   #11
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I would take the 15450, especially in blue.Very elegant and a timeless classic. Personally, the 5167 does nothing for me, never warmed up to that dial.
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The 15202 has a different movement than the 15400. Just very time consuming and pair that with the amount of times I wore it in the rotation it just wasn't worth it to me.


That’s interesting. Thanks for the info.


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I would take the 15450, especially in blue.Very elegant and a timeless classic. Personally, the 5167 does nothing for me, never warmed up to that dial.


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RO being 37mm in size vs the Aquanaut 40mm (if I recalled correctly). Which size is better fit for you?


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The 15202 does not have a quick set date, and completely understand what a PIA it must be when worn in rotation. I deal with the same issue on my vintage pieces.
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Old 16 January 2020, 11:46 PM   #16
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I would pick 5167A

Although the 5711 would be a better comparison, any PP is heads and tails a better watch. I like the way the 5167 looks on a bracelet. I know I am not objective still getting over my a$$ being burnt having owned a 15450. I loved the way it looked, fit great (as you noted it wears big) and iconic. I just have first hand experiences with the quality control at AP. Not impressed.
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Old 17 January 2020, 12:58 AM   #17
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If you removed the PP name on the 5167 no one would buy it
Change into TIMEX please, and people will start to critic the watch. Overprice bla bla, rotor old design bla bla, dial like turtle bla bla.

If the name is Patek, people accept and believe the quality of the watch.

Fact!
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Old 17 January 2020, 01:47 AM   #18
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If you are after 37mm, then its a no brainer. I just find that a bit too small for my liking.
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Old 17 January 2020, 01:52 AM   #19
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These are really different watches imho.

The Aquanaut with the rubber strap is the lowest key but very subtlety elegant sport piece that can be worn anywhere from showering, swimming, to the board room no problemo.

The Royal oak can serves these purposes but will look out of place when you are naked or just on the beach. It is more dressy, more aggressive and louder.

The right answer is both. However, if you are a more low key individual, go for the 5167. If you want a statement piece and want wrist presence, the 15450 is amazing.

I would wear an aquanaut overseas to travel and feel more comfortable in shady areas, the royal oak is going to attract attention.

If you have a steel submariner, go for the royal oak. If you don't and don't have a all purpose piece, go for the aquanaut.
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The Royal oak can serves these purposes but will look out of place when you are naked or just on the beach.
What watch would look appropriate in this scenario?
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What watch would look appropriate in this scenario?


Something more in proportion I would think. An Offshore should do it!


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Something more in proportion I would think. An Offshore should do it!


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What watch would look appropriate in this scenario?
Pretty much any dress watch...
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Pretty much any dress watch...
For me, it would be something in the 33-36mm variant.
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These are really different watches imho.

The Aquanaut with the rubber strap is the lowest key but very subtlety elegant sport piece that can be worn anywhere from showering, swimming, to the board room no problemo.

The Royal oak can serves these purposes but will look out of place when you are naked or just on the beach. It is more dressy, more aggressive and louder.

The right answer is both. However, if you are a more low key individual, go for the 5167. If you want a statement piece and want wrist presence, the 15450 is amazing.

I would wear an aquanaut overseas to travel and feel more comfortable in shady areas, the royal oak is going to attract attention.

If you have a steel submariner, go for the royal oak. If you don't and don't have a all purpose piece, go for the aquanaut.
I agree with this, although I must confess I've never considered how a watch looks on me when I'm naked. I have a ROC 25960 and I love it for work and social situations but it is not subtle. Even when I had a SS 25860 the light reflections off of the brushed surfaces make it a watch that will be noticed.

The 5167, on the other hand, is my favorite everyday watch. I wear it for travel, work, and play. I personally like the bracelet, but do switch over to the rubber strap in short sleeve weather.

So I think the answer lies in the intended purpose of the watch and the existing collection. If it is an "only watch" I think the 5167 is the way to go. If there's an everyday watch already, then I'd get a Royal Oak. My answer to this question was to get both an Aquanaut and Royal Oak.
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Old 17 January 2020, 10:37 AM   #27
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Lack of WR is a dealbreaker for me so the choice is pretty obvious.
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