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29 December 2019, 12:51 PM | #31 | |
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I think it's only a financial mistake if you decide to sell it and it seriously depreciates. I don't sell my watches, so if I like a watch, it matters not one whit what others may think. It's mine. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
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There are two NOS for sale in Miami, a polar and a black both 10k each
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29 December 2019, 06:17 PM | #33 |
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These great watches are riding on the wave of the more popular pieces. If you like them buy them. I certainly wouldn’t look at them as any type of investment because should the market soften they will be the first pieces to drop.
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I could be wrong but even within David’s excellent category there is variance which he uses to determine price. My guess is in addition to the movement causing a higher price this watch is unpolished or lightly polished with great chamfers etc.
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It's at the point where anything with Rolex written on the dial that's stainless steel will face a premium for those wanting to be part of that hype. Not to take away anything from the watches mentioned but they clearly were never popular models compared to the initial dash for anything with a spnny bezel.
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At the risk of stating the obvious, a point that never gets mentioned is that the 3186 models are newer!
The last of the 16570 3186 models were sold 2010 to 2015 (they sat around at the Ads as they were not that popular and had been replaced by the larger size version). Therefore you can buy one that is unserviced (and unpolished) and is very much as it was when it left the AD. Cyclops has AR coating on these. It seems lots on here prefer to pick up a 15 year old model, but when I purchased 18 months ago I went for a 2010 random serial 3186 being the last of the line. It’s needs to be said the 16570 is one of the most comfortable Rolexes to wear and I do not see its current demand as a blip. As 16710 prices march on upwards the 16570 makes a great alternative. |
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And no I dint belive the stick dial is an error dial, although when teamed up with a 3186 movement is certainly a rarer variant. |
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Approx. 500 pcs NOS/pre-owned Expl. II 16570 are offered at Chrono24 for the moment.......approx. 7% of them have the 3186 caliber........probably this is some indication of the real percentage.... |
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I’m just glad I bought my 16570 a few years ago for £2k. Not worth current prices, regardless of movement.
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Was expected, the size and white dial are perfect. Same for the old 36mm explorer. They look better than the current ones.
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If you can tell me how many watches Rolex produced with the 3186 movement in the 16570 and in the GMT Pepsi, I will agree with you. Same goes for the “error” dial. Also, if you are interested in a “Patrizzi” dial SS Daytona, I have one for you at a great price, $40K. |
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they ran 3186 from the Z serial to the end before switching over to the scrambled, exactly how many watches? only rolex knows. but 3185 vs 3186, the differences are minimal at best as I searched for a bit to get a Z serial with 3186 and no engraved rehaut.
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This is super weird. I have had RRR rehaut Z787*** with 3185. And i have seen explorers without RRR rehaut with 3186 movement. I don’t understand how it works tho. Also i have seen that people taking 3186 movements from Explorers and swapping them with 3185 movement from gmt masters because 3186 gmt worth way more than 3186 explorer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Oh and BTW if for a second you try and tell me the 3186 movement in the 16710 is not a relative rarity then I will know 100% you are clinically insane. |
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Agree 100%, the 3186 is rare on the 16710.....I forgot to ask you, how many 16710’s did Rolex manufacture with the 3186?
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The 3186 hype may or may not pick up. Chances are it won’t. Lots of the speculations about other models, such as AK, are jut that, in my opinion future will tell...
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I paid 5600€ (2018 october) for my 3186 Polar Explorer. It was random serial, NOS condition and complete. Now? 8-9k easily Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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For the 3186 premium, I'd much rather have a jubilee bracelet. My 3185 Z-serial on a 62510H:
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Don’t think so....
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It's pretty easy to see that fewer were produced. |
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Yes! The lower the supply, the easier it is to manipulate the market. And it’s legal, so why not? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I think they are a bit overpriced, so I wait. If i'm wrong and I don't agree with the mkt then I don't buy. Simple as that.
As far as 3186 vs 3185 or any variation, mkt makers will always try and differentiate to add value on the sell side. Go to the buy side and watch the shift to devaluations. I think the 16750 is a great watch for what it is but I don't value it north of 4-4500 as it stands today. I think the current frenzy has spilled over into anything with a crown. These watches would sit in cases year over year, its the same watch. The only difference is the current demand & liquidity.
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