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Old 29 December 2019, 12:51 PM   #31
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You seem to have a good eye for nice pieces. What’s your take on the Air King? I love it, but I have this weird hesitation for not getting one. For some reason o feel like it’s so unlovable by others it would be a financial mistake.
I like it.

I think it's only a financial mistake if you decide to sell it and it seriously depreciates.

I don't sell my watches, so if I like a watch, it matters not one whit what others may think.

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Old 29 December 2019, 02:57 PM   #32
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There are two NOS for sale in Miami, a polar and a black both 10k each
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Old 29 December 2019, 06:17 PM   #33
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These great watches are riding on the wave of the more popular pieces. If you like them buy them. I certainly wouldn’t look at them as any type of investment because should the market soften they will be the first pieces to drop.
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Old 29 December 2019, 06:35 PM   #34
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I could be wrong but even within David’s excellent category there is variance which he uses to determine price. My guess is in addition to the movement causing a higher price this watch is unpolished or lightly polished with great chamfers etc.


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Old 29 December 2019, 06:37 PM   #35
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It's at the point where anything with Rolex written on the dial that's stainless steel will face a premium for those wanting to be part of that hype. Not to take away anything from the watches mentioned but they clearly were never popular models compared to the initial dash for anything with a spnny bezel.
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Old 29 December 2019, 08:14 PM   #36
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At the risk of stating the obvious, a point that never gets mentioned is that the 3186 models are newer!

The last of the 16570 3186 models were sold 2010 to 2015 (they sat around at the Ads as they were not that popular and had been replaced by the larger size version).

Therefore you can buy one that is unserviced (and unpolished) and is very much as it was when it left the AD. Cyclops has AR coating on these.

It seems lots on here prefer to pick up a 15 year old model, but when I purchased 18 months ago I went for a 2010 random serial 3186 being the last of the line.
It’s needs to be said the 16570 is one of the most comfortable Rolexes to wear and I do not see its current demand as a blip. As 16710 prices march on upwards the 16570 makes a great alternative.
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Old 29 December 2019, 09:21 PM   #37
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Nonsense. We do not know how many 3186 movements were put in the 16570, it was also used for the GMT pepsi, were there hundreds or thousands used? Rolex does not say, it is only guessing and conjecture on this and other forums. If you believe it is rare, then you are certainly entitled to think so and some will pay a premium. Perhaps you also think the stick dial in the Pepsi is an "error"?
The 16570 was in production from what, 1989 to 2011 so 22 years. And the 3186 movement first surfaced in what 2006. So less than a quarter of the entire 16570's production run can contain the newer movement. Ajd that's not accounting for the using up of the stock pile of 3185 movements from 2006 on. If my back of the envelope man maths are correct then your post is nonsense and the 16570 w/3186 movement is a rarer variant. FACT.

And no I dint belive the stick dial is an error dial, although when teamed up with a 3186 movement is certainly a rarer variant.
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Old 29 December 2019, 10:24 PM   #38
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The 16570 was in production from what, 1989 to 2011 so 22 years. And the 3186 movement first surfaced in what 2006. So less than a quarter of the entire 16570's production run can contain the newer movement. Ajd that's not accounting for the using up of the stock pile of 3185 movements from 2006 on. If my back of the envelope man maths are correct then your post is nonsense and the 16570 w/3186 movement is a rarer variant. FACT.

And no I dint belive the stick dial is an error dial, although when teamed up with a 3186 movement is certainly a rarer variant.
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Approx. 500 pcs NOS/pre-owned Expl. II 16570 are offered at Chrono24 for the moment.......approx. 7% of them have the 3186 caliber........probably this is some indication of the real percentage....
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Old 29 December 2019, 10:36 PM   #39
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I’m just glad I bought my 16570 a few years ago for £2k. Not worth current prices, regardless of movement.
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Old 29 December 2019, 10:51 PM   #40
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Was expected, the size and white dial are perfect. Same for the old 36mm explorer. They look better than the current ones.
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Old 29 December 2019, 11:30 PM   #41
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Approx. 500 pcs NOS/pre-owned Expl. II 16570 are offered at Chrono24 for the moment.......approx. 7% of them have the 3186 caliber........probably this is some indication of the real percentage....
Yes thank you Okami.
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Old 30 December 2019, 12:06 AM   #42
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The 16570 was in production from what, 1989 to 2011 so 22 years. And the 3186 movement first surfaced in what 2006. So less than a quarter of the entire 16570's production run can contain the newer movement. Ajd that's not accounting for the using up of the stock pile of 3185 movements from 2006 on. If my back of the envelope man maths are correct then your post is nonsense and the 16570 w/3186 movement is a rarer variant. FACT.

And no I dint belive the stick dial is an error dial, although when teamed up with a 3186 movement is certainly a rarer variant.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
If you can tell me how many watches Rolex produced with the 3186 movement in the 16570 and in the GMT Pepsi, I will agree with you.
Same goes for the “error” dial. Also, if you are interested in a “Patrizzi” dial SS Daytona, I have one for you at a great price, $40K.
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Old 30 December 2019, 01:00 AM   #43
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they ran 3186 from the Z serial to the end before switching over to the scrambled, exactly how many watches? only rolex knows. but 3185 vs 3186, the differences are minimal at best as I searched for a bit to get a Z serial with 3186 and no engraved rehaut.
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Old 30 December 2019, 01:21 AM   #44
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they ran 3186 from the Z serial to the end before switching over to the scrambled, exactly how many watches? only rolex knows. but 3185 vs 3186, the differences are minimal at best as I searched for a bit to get a Z serial with 3186 and no engraved rehaut.


This is super weird. I have had RRR rehaut Z787*** with 3185. And i have seen explorers without RRR rehaut with 3186 movement. I don’t understand how it works tho. Also i have seen that people taking 3186 movements from Explorers and swapping them with 3185 movement from gmt masters because 3186 gmt worth way more than 3186 explorer





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Old 30 December 2019, 04:22 AM   #45
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This is super weird. I have had RRR rehaut Z787*** with 3185. And i have seen explorers without RRR rehaut with 3186 movement. I don’t understand how it works tho. Also i have seen that people taking 3186 movements from Explorers and swapping them with 3185 movement from gmt masters because 3186 gmt worth way more than 3186 explorer





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I dont think any one would take a 3186 and put it in an explorer 2 tho deliberately to make that sale to me. Rolex however just works with what ever parts they have ready and together which causes some over lap. My observations over the years for explorer 2s have noted that there have been cases cut with lip for the SEL before time the change over, transition cases especially marked with the T, all sorts of things.
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Old 30 December 2019, 08:39 AM   #46
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Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
If you can tell me how many watches Rolex produced with the 3186 movement in the 16570 and in the GMT Pepsi, I will agree with you.
Same goes for the “error” dial. Also, if you are interested in a “Patrizzi” dial SS Daytona, I have one for you at a great price, $40K.
I don't need to, Oakmi already did it for us.

Oh and BTW if for a second you try and tell me the 3186 movement in the 16710 is not a relative rarity then I will know 100% you are clinically insane.
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Old 30 December 2019, 08:58 AM   #47
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I don't need to, Oakmi already did it for us.

Oh and BTW if for a second you try and tell me the 3186 movement in the 16710 is not a relative rarity then I will know 100% you are clinically insane.
Agree 100%, the 3186 is rare on the 16710.....I forgot to ask you, how many 16710’s did Rolex manufacture with the 3186?
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Old 30 December 2019, 09:05 AM   #48
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The 3186 hype may or may not pick up. Chances are it won’t. Lots of the speculations about other models, such as AK, are jut that, in my opinion future will tell...


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Old 30 December 2019, 09:10 AM   #49
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The 3186 hype may or may not pick up. Chances are it won’t. Lots of the speculations about other models, such as AK, are jut that, in my opinion future will tell...


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I paid 5600€ (2018 october) for my 3186 Polar Explorer. It was random serial, NOS condition and complete. Now? 8-9k easily


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Old 30 December 2019, 09:51 AM   #50
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For the 3186 premium, I'd much rather have a jubilee bracelet. My 3185 Z-serial on a 62510H:

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Old 30 December 2019, 10:19 AM   #51
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I dont think any one would take a 3186 and put it in an explorer 2 tho deliberately to make that sale to me. Rolex however just works with what ever parts they have ready and together which causes some over lap. My observations over the years for explorer 2s have noted that there have been cases cut with lip for the SEL before time the change over, transition cases especially marked with the T, all sorts of things.
Hi, first post here, and new to me black 16570 Y serial #, it has a case reference 16570T. Does this mean anything other than “transitional”?
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Old 30 December 2019, 12:14 PM   #52
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The 3186 hype may or may not pick up. Chances are it won’t. Lots of the speculations about other models, such as AK, are jut that, in my opinion future will tell...


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Reminds me of the so called error or rare stick dial 16710s which was also used as service dials, not so rare. The bait is always out there by the hype-ists just waiting for the fishys to bite
Heere fishy fishy fishy....

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Old 30 December 2019, 12:16 PM   #53
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DAVIDSW just listed a 2010 16570 with 3186 movement , box and paper, for $9,475.00. We are know David is the price setter, does this mean after years in the desert, the market is finally waking up to the old Explorer II ? Or people are running out of SS sport model to buy ?
Asking and getting are two different numbers. Ridiculous price for hyped up 3186 which was only internet hype.
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Old 30 December 2019, 12:17 PM   #54
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Don’t think so....
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Old 30 December 2019, 01:27 PM   #55
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If you can tell me how many watches Rolex produced with the 3186 movement in the 16570 and in the GMT Pepsi, I will agree with you.
Why does it matter the exact number? We know it was only used in the watch in the last 3-4 years of production and we know the watch was in production for almost 20.

It's pretty easy to see that fewer were produced.
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Old 30 December 2019, 02:10 PM   #56
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Hi, first post here, and new to me black 16570 Y serial #, it has a case reference 16570T. Does this mean anything other than “transitional”?
thats what it means, it is one of those made during the transitional changes for that model
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Reminds me of the so called error or rare stick dial 16710s which was also used as service dials, not so rare. The bait is always out there by the hype-ists just waiting for the fishys to bite
Heere fishy fishy fishy....

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Old 30 December 2019, 03:38 PM   #58
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Hi, first post here, and new to me black 16570 Y serial #, it has a case reference 16570T. Does this mean anything other than “transitional”?
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thats what it means, it is one of those made during the transitional changes for that model
T doesn't stand for transitional.

T is to designate a no holes case or as it's officially known, a blind hole case. Blind Hole in french is Trou borgne.
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Old 30 December 2019, 10:58 PM   #59
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T doesn't stand for transitional.

T is to designate a no holes case or as it's officially known, a blind hole case. Blind Hole in french is Trou borgne.
Ah, thanks for that correction! thats what I had always mistaken it for.
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Old 31 December 2019, 03:09 AM   #60
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I think they are a bit overpriced, so I wait. If i'm wrong and I don't agree with the mkt then I don't buy. Simple as that.

As far as 3186 vs 3185 or any variation, mkt makers will always try and differentiate to add value on the sell side. Go to the buy side and watch the shift to devaluations.

I think the 16750 is a great watch for what it is but I don't value it north of 4-4500 as it stands today. I think the current frenzy has spilled over into anything with a crown.

These watches would sit in cases year over year, its the same watch. The only difference is the current demand & liquidity.
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