yes another which Nautilus question

[D4UK]

Ok.. well here goes..

following my impromptu acquisition of the 5167r at Christmas I've become quite taken by Patek and have been considering which, if any, piece should be my next...

I'm not as fortunate as most on here so this next one may be the the end of my Patek buying, at least for the foreseeable and it may see a re-focusing of my watch collection to make the addition possible.

I've looked at some of the more classic pieces - tried on a 5227 today, but they're not really me..they're too small and too formal.
love the 5524 design and functionality but i'm more of a steel bracelet wearer and I also am struggling to square away the price of the Pilot Time especially if I may end up not giving it wrist time.

So that brings me inevitably to the 'sports' range of the Nautlius... and the steel pieces.

I've beem mulling over which if any Nautlius I would like to a buy/order.
This will be a new piece through my AD at MRSP so will involve a wait.. (i don't do grey market) but I am lucky enough that my dealer will add me to the list as I'm local and feel I have a good relationship with them.

I have seen both the blue and white 5711 and I actually felt I preferred the white. (I thought the blue was a bit too grey)

But I'm also very keen on the 5712 (yes i know its the same colour dial!)
love the aesymetric/complicated/blue dial and especially love the 240 movement with the mini rotor.
I'm a bit uncomfortable with the price...£30k and am yet to see the steel '12 in the flesh, had a look at the 5712/G today but it was too grey IMO.

The white 5711 on the other hand.
Clean/simple/classic but is the same movement and dial shape as my aquanaut. (is that an issue?)
I guess I'm asking is it too plain and simple?

I should add that I'm not generally a wearer of suits and often wear short sleeves or shirt sleeves rolled up and so I felt at first the white might be a bit more of a casual wear and I want this piece to get some good wrist time which is more difficult with my '67r

So after that... which should I order?

5711 white I could have mid next year
5712 would be much further away... 3-4 years?

should I consider anything else...

I should add I have already made a decision and put an order in - just gauging opinion to see what others would do.

[Sam Philip]

5712A, it will come before 3-4 years

[D4UK]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

5712A, it will come before 3-4 years

thanks, yes I guess that is the case, although AD tells me that even their planned allocation of 2 of each colour 5711 has already been reduced to just 1 of each colour for this year, so it seems like the restricted supply is being further restricted.

[Sam Philip]

Originally Posted by D4UK

thanks, yes I guess that is the case, although AD tells me that even their planned allocation of 2 of each colour 5711 has already been reduced to just 1 of each colour for this year, so it seems like the restricted supply is being further restricted.

The ADs I deal with said that they get less 5711 blue and even less 5711 white but they seem to get 5712A with no great restrictions

[D4UK]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

The ADs I deal with said that they get less 5711 blue and even less 5711 white but they seem to get 5712A with no great restrictions

that's quite interesting to hear...
my AD has talked about 2 of each colour 5711 generally per year but only 1-2 in total of 5712

[D4UK]

Just to come clean...

I put a deposit down on the white '11 this afternoon...
but I'm now wondering/questioning if I shouldn't have just bitten the bullet and gone '12

especially since the difference between the '11 & '12 is little more than the HULK I have ordered (and in truth don't need!)
I'm thinking I should consolidate and go '12

[JR16]

My AD told me there is an outside chance for 5711a in 2018, but for 5712a would be 2019 at the earliest . Also was told they are limiting their nautilus allocations to one per customer per year , so I couldn’t be on more than one wait list . I have a long relationship w my AD and I do believe them. They’ve always tried to do things fairly, and also appreciate loyalty in return , esp when I turned down a second DaytonaC recently (they forgot they already sold one to me in 2016)!


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[kultschar]

As someone with both a 5167 and 5711 I would recommend the 5712 - get away from two plain dials / simple 3 hander (despite them both being amazing)

I love my 5167 and 5711 but the plan is to upgrade the 5167 to the 5164 for more variation and a cool complication!!!!

I consolidated all my Rolex into 2 Pateks with zero regrets

[debner4]

Originally Posted by D4UK

Just to come clean...

I put a deposit down on the white '11 this afternoon...
but I'm now wondering/questioning if I shouldn't have just bitten the bullet and gone '12

especially since the difference between the '11 & '12 is little more than the HULK I have ordered (and in truth don't need!)
I'm thinking I should consolidate and go '12

100% go 5712a. Best watch Patek makes under $50k.

[AK797]

Go for the 5712 as that is your top, but a wait of over a year would be a slow death for me, never mind two... everyone on this forum must be in great health.

[kaiserphoenix]

Btw i would add that the 5712 and 5711 are not the same shade of blue. Strange as it sounds the 5712 is very blue almost bright but the 5711 has a greyish hue so is not quite the same.


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[Watch Admirer]

I would buy either a 5711r, a 5164r or a 5990 (after selling your 5167r).

[D4UK]

Thanks for the replies so far guys...
Seems no one’s siding with my current choice...

I just felt the white 5711 was more able to be worn casually compared to the 5712 with it more classic moonphasee and quirky dial. But no one seems worried by this.
Re going for my top choice... yeah I get that.
As has been said a 2-3 year wait might kill me also!
Maybe the lure of a quicker 5711 is what has snagged me?

[D4UK]

Originally Posted by Watch Admirer

I would buy either a 5711r, a 5164r or a 5990 (after selling your 5167r).

Interesting
I love the travel time pieces but after seeing the 5990 yesterday, whilst I love the case I’m not as much of a fan of the dial
of the 3 TT watches I still much prefer the dial and execution of the 5524

I can see me selling the 67r at some point but not for a 64r to me the r is dressier and I don’t need the gym function in this instance.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by D4UK

So after that... which should I order?

5711 white I could have mid next year
5712 would be much further away... 3-4 years?

thats tough. I think the 12 is the most unique looking watch i own so it has that going for it but the white 11 is the best white dial watch i have ever seen so there is that to consider.

For me the 11 is actually more versatile as its more sporty looking where the 12 looks better with a suit so not really sure how to rate one over the other in that regard. The 12 is more beautiful and the 11 is clean and crisp ... cant go wrong with either IMO.

[Watch Admirer]

Huge design flaw in the 5711 White dial - Date window color is matching with the dial color! Genta must be turning in his tomb poor man...

[Jay (Eire)]

I chose the white 5711, and as you suggested it is a little more casual and even 'sporty' just given the dial colour.


I can see your dilemma as despite my moderate hate of the asymmetrical dial on the 5712 it is almost an iconic piece at this point and as you say the micro rotor/movement are positive attributes AND the proportions are what they should be for a Nautilus (slim-ish).

As you mentioned the Hulk you have on order I will add that the Hulk has been my most regularly worn watch in the last year or so. For me it's the go-to for weekends, or just generally tooling around.

[lapince]

Definitely the 5712, probably my favorite, it’s really worth it, though if you grtnthe 5711 you will most probably get the 5712 later, but one being white I think both aren’t redundant

[codecow]

I have the 5712. Then again power reserve on the dial is one of my favorites, have it on 3 Pateks.

[D4UK]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

thats tough. I think the 12 is the most unique looking watch i own so it has that going for it but the white 11 is the best white dial watch i have ever seen so there is that to consider.

For me the 11 is actually more versatile as its more sporty looking where the 12 looks better with a suit so not really sure how to rate one over the other in that regard. The 12 is more beautiful and the 11 is clean and crisp ... cant go wrong with either IMO.

Thanks Tyler
I think even though you are amongst the few suggesting the 5711 - I agree with your reasoning more in that the 5711 may be more versatile and in my sense suit my more casual dress sense.

Maybe in a similar vein to my 42mm Polar ExpII which my wife has now decided is HER go to spring summer watch! (so clearly that one is staying in the colletcion regardless of any downsizing!!)

I LOVE the 5712 but I think given I wear a suit maybe only twice a year, it may jar with my jeans and t shirt attire (perhaps a little too formal/classic) whereas the white 5711 would might be more in keeping.

I woke up this morning to read the previous comments and thought yes I'll cancel the HULK order and swap to a 5712 list... now i'm not so sure and am back to where I was yesterday when I put my money on the 5711.

[D4UK]

Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

I chose the white 5711, and as you suggested it is a little more casual and even 'sporty' just given the dial colour.


I can see your dilemma as despite my moderate hate of the asymmetrical dial on the 5712 it is almost an iconic piece at this point and as you say the micro rotor/movement are positive attributes AND the proportions are what they should be for a Nautilus (slim-ish).

As you mentioned the Hulk you have on order I will add that the Hulk has been my most regularly worn watch in the last year or so. For me it's the go-to for weekends, or just generally tooling around.

Thanks Jay - thouse both look stunning...

Pretty sure I dont need the hulk though as already have a new GMT on order and a handful of other SS Sport Rolex models incl the original LV...

I ordered the HULK just before Basel and then ordered the GMT too.
but I've since been think about thinning my overall collection as i simply have too many that never get worn and so they should go...

[D4UK]

this is like therapy.. although I dont believe I have reached a conclusion yet!

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by D4UK

Thanks Tyler
I think even though you are amongst the few suggesting the 5711 - I agree with your reasoning more in that the 5711 may be more versatile and in my sense suit my more casual dress sense.

Maybe in a similar vein to my 42mm Polar ExpII which my wife has now decided is HER go to spring summer watch! (so clearly that one is staying in the colletcion regardless of any downsizing!!)

I LOVE the 5712 but I think given I wear a suit maybe only twice a year, it may jar with my jeans and t shirt attire (perhaps a little too formal/classic) whereas the white 5711 would might be more in keeping.

I woke up this morning to read the previous comments and thought yes I'll cancel the HULK order and swap to a 5712 list... now i'm not so sure and am back to where I was yesterday when I put my money on the 5711.

If i could only have one i would probably pick the 12... its totally weird though because the 11 will be getting more wrist time as it goes with my lifestyle more. I know some people wear a 5712 with shorts and a T shirt, i cant bring myself to do it though.

[D4UK]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

If i could only have one i would probably pick the 12... its totally weird though because the 11 will be getting more wrist time as it goes with my lifestyle more. I know some people wear a 5712 with shorts and a T shirt, i cant bring myself to do it though.

AHHH
I thought you were on my side..!!

But yes i get where you are coming from.. and that's my fear, what if this is the only 1... then for the sake of 8k (GBP) go for the 5712
hmmmm

think I need to pop back into the AD at the weekend!

[AK797]

I change my mind now, if you can really only get one, sell the 67R and get the 5711R, I'm wearing it today on this most glorious of days and it just looks so spectacular in the sunshine, a paradise watch in more ways than one!

[HAL330]

Originally Posted by AK797

I change my mind now, if you can really only get one, sell the 67R and get the 5711R, I'm wearing it today on this most glorious of days and it just looks so spectacular in the sunshine, a paradise watch in more ways than one!

It's truly the last PP sports watch that I'll ever need or want for under $200,000.

[BobDyl]

I have a 5711 blue but if I were buying today I'd be all about the white. It looks great and somewhat more contemporary imho. More versatile. Everyone here loses their sh*t over the blue dial, but it's just a blue dial. It's OK. It won't transport you to a different plane of existence. At the end of the day you have to go with what you like and ignore the board...

[Roovain]

Originally Posted by debner4

100% go 5712a. Best watch Patek makes under $50k.

Disagree. The 5726 is the best Nautilus that PP makes under $50K. For the money, the 5726 provides you with PP's stellar AC, in a nice balanced dial. Why spend that kind of money, especially for a 5711, when it's really no different than a port-hole shaped Submariner. If you're going to spend that kind of money, get a serious complication watch (e.g. the 5726). Just my 2cents.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Roovain

Disagree. The 5726 is the best Nautilus that PP makes under $50K. For the money, the 5726 provides you with PP's stellar AC, in a nice balanced dial. Why spend that kind of money, especially for a 5711, when it's really no different than a port-hole shaped Submariner. If you're going to spend that kind of money, get a serious complication watch (e.g. the 5726). Just my 2cents.

a chronograph is more complex than a AC. So then the answer is the 5990 or the 5980

[turborolex]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

a chronograph is more complex than a AC. So then the answer is the 5990 or the 5980

I’m not sure I follow...you’re saying the simple chronograph of the 5990 and the 5980 is more complex than an AC?


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