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Old 29 June 2017, 05:33 AM   #31
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This is exactly my concern and what I'm leaning towards what happened....

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Hate to say it but I'm inclined to agree with Yzord here.

This isn't just an minor issue with a watch based on 2 people having slightly different views on condition.

I would be very surprised if this seller hasn't deliberately set out to mislead knowing full well any buyer wouldn't be happy considering the pictures he used and the description of "excellent shape with little noticeable wear". Yes the seller has a large presence on this forum but from what I can see has no history of selling watches and isn't a dealer so why would he care about a negative review. He has his money.

I really do hope I'm wrong but it's not looking good
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Old 29 June 2017, 05:44 AM   #32
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Hate to say it but I'm inclined to agree with Yzord here.

This isn't just an minor issue with a watch based on 2 people having slightly different views on condition.

I would be very surprised if this seller hasn't deliberately set out to mislead knowing full well any buyer wouldn't be happy considering the pictures he used and the description of "excellent shape with little noticeable wear". Yes the seller has a large presence on this forum but from what I can see has no history of selling watches and isn't a dealer so why would he care about a negative review. He has his money.

I really do hope I'm wrong but it's not looking good


This is why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not a regular seller, I don't think he's going to take his money and run, he is a regular on the forum if he were going to try to scam someone I doubt he'd hang around for more than 3k posts. With him not being a regular seller, he may have felt his choice of words were correct. From what I can see the watch is definitely not in excellent cosmetic condition, but may be running in excellent condition. I'm willing to bet, he's off on vacation or hopefully nothing worse. My guess is he will be back and make this right. For the record I don't know the seller or the OP.

**He did make a thread in May about a upcoming trip to Canada. He's possibly there**
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Old 29 June 2017, 05:53 AM   #33
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Sorry to hear about this OP. I hope the seller contacts you and the two of you come to a resolution.
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Old 29 June 2017, 05:54 AM   #34
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Trip or not, everyone takes his mail, mobile and/or other communication tool with him. If his reactionscore was high before the sale and none after the sale.... take your guess


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Old 29 June 2017, 05:57 AM   #35
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Trip or not, everyone takes his mail, mobile and/or other communication tool with him. If his reactionscore was high before the sale and none after the sale.... take your guess


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There are many places where people go fishing in remote parts of Canada, and there is no cell service, internet, or cable..
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Old 29 June 2017, 05:59 AM   #36
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There are many places where people go fishing in remote parts of Canada, and there is no cell service, internet, or cable..


Ok ok :-) maybe i am to negative about this. Question to OP, did he mentioned a trip and that the sale needs to be done quick otherwise he is gone for his trip?
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Old 29 June 2017, 06:11 AM   #37
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Trip or not, everyone takes his mail, mobile and/or other communication tool with him. If his reactionscore was high before the sale and none after the sale.... take your guess


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I don't feel thats a fair assumption. I don't vacation with email and sometimes without even a phone.


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Old 29 June 2017, 06:27 AM   #38
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Looking at his resume I wouldn't classify him as a trusted seller.

He pledged just before he sold this watch and i can't find any other sales from him.
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Old 29 June 2017, 06:46 AM   #39
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I think it is good to be cautious.

He never mentioned any trip, the transaction was strictly professional. But I do think it's weird selling a 4k watch and not doing any follow-up even if he was going on a trip. At least let me know that he would be away for a week but to let him know how it looked or something like that.....

I appreciate all the feedback you guys are providing. Thank you for all the different perspectives.

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Ok ok :-) maybe i am to negative about this. Question to OP, did he mentioned a trip and that the sale needs to be done quick otherwise he is gone for his trip?
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Old 29 June 2017, 07:30 AM   #40
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There are many places where people go fishing in remote parts of Canada, and there is no cell service, internet, or cable..


If his phone rings when you call, then there is cell service.

Have you tried calling, OP? You mention that you've emailed, texted, reached out on Instagram, but no mention of a call.


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Old 29 June 2017, 08:21 AM   #41
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With my background in photography and my expertise in watch repair, I'd say his photos do a good job hiding the scratches and your photos do a good job exaggerating them. As for the watch, even a quick refinish would probably bring it back to like new condition. I don't really see any dings or dents, just surface scratches. Seller should at least offer to compensate for a refinish or something. Days with no reply is not cool. This is a simple fix.
This is what I was thinking, still the description by seller is very wrong
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Old 29 June 2017, 08:34 AM   #42
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To be on here for 3000 posts and then to describe that watch as "excellent" condition with "very little noticeable wear" is just completely dishonest. Anyone that active on this forum knows that watch has a lot of wear, so he was deliberately trying to mislead.

Hopefully you get a refund. But like others said, if not, I wouldn't consider it a total loss. Sending it to RSC or a good independent should bring it back to like-new.
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Old 29 June 2017, 09:00 AM   #43
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Not described right but still a very good price for such a young watch!
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Old 29 June 2017, 09:09 AM   #44
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Not described right but still a very good price for such a young watch!
Assuming the watch is in fact that young... the date looks sketchy on the card.
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Old 29 June 2017, 09:13 AM   #45
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Assuming the watch is in fact that young... the date looks sketchy on the card.
My apologies, indeed the card looks sketchy! Would like to see some normal pictures from the card.
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Old 29 June 2017, 09:49 AM   #46
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At the risk of raising ire or looking like a shill, the watch doesn't look that much different from original ad photos....
Put your glasses on and take a better look.
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Old 29 June 2017, 10:49 AM   #47
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Looks like he used pics when he first bought the watch.

He purposely mislead you to sell it.

Agree, your $$$ is gone. Stupid thing to do on his part...

Though it sucks its all scratched up, good thing is, you still have a working Rolex. This could have been a lot worse and a box full of rocks.
A polish and rebrush is no big deal in the long run. You can call around locally and find a TRUSTWORTHY place to repolish/brush it, learn to do it yourself and practice on a $80 invicta (which is my preferred method) or wait till service and have rolex do it.
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Old 29 June 2017, 11:16 AM   #48
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The Mk1 214270's are selling used for around $5k in near mint condition and around $4.5k in "excellent" condition. At $4k you should be expecting some fair wear and tear. You get what you pay for.

Close examination of the images in the sale ad reveals a lot of small scratches. If the watch is keeping good time it was probably priced appropriately for its condition.
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Old 29 June 2017, 12:13 PM   #49
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Price has nothing do with the condition. It's clear it was not described accurately regardless of price.
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Old 29 June 2017, 12:26 PM   #50
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Price has nothing do with the condition. It's clear it was not described accurately regardless of price.
The description doesn't say mint or near mint, which would mean no scratches to just about everyone. Excellent and "noticeable wear", on the other hand, are open to some interpretation.

The seller says he wore it in a rotation, and the condition is reflective of a watch that is worn regularly. There's no mention of being polished. A buyer should expect all the swirls and scratches that come with regular wear.
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Old 29 June 2017, 12:28 PM   #51
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I say it was intentional scam and the buyer deserves all his money back or the sell pays for all the service work to get it up to standards.
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Old 29 June 2017, 12:33 PM   #52
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I've bought/sold probably 50+ watches. I know what is to be expected with normal wear and tear. This is beyond that, did you see all of the pictures I posted? He listed the watch as excellent condition with LITTLE noticeable wear. That is so clearly not the case. The watch is literally 100% covered in scratches. I do not think there is one square mm on the watch that is not covered by scratches.

I am sorry but in no universe does that qualify as excellent condition I don't care what arbitrary rules you use to classify the condition. Especially since the pictures were taken in such ways to mask any imperfections. If that was the case where its "normal" wear and tear, then why did none of his photos show any signs of scratches. I'm sorry but looking at his pictures the only sign of scratches I see are on the clasp and THAT is expected with normal wear and tear.

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The description doesn't say mint or near mint, which would mean no scratches to just about everyone. Excellent, on the other hand, is open to some interpretation.

The seller says he wore it in a rotation, and the condition is reflective of a watch that is worn regularly. There's no mention of being polished. A buyer should expect all the swirls and scratches that come with regular wear.
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Old 29 June 2017, 12:35 PM   #53
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Interpretation of description aside, those photos were not reflective of what the watch actually looks like. Now add the description back into the equation and certainly leaves a bad taste.
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Old 29 June 2017, 12:56 PM   #54
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The description doesn't say mint or near mint, which would mean no scratches to just about everyone. Excellent and "noticeable wear", on the other hand, are open to some interpretation.

The seller says he wore it in a rotation, and the condition is reflective of a watch that is worn regularly. There's no mention of being polished. A buyer should expect all the swirls and scratches that come with regular wear.
Huh?

Directly from original sales post:

"This Rolex Explorer from 2014 is in excellent condition. It has very little noticeable wear and has been worn in rotation with 4 other watches. It is the 39mm Explorer model with white gold numerals and comes complete with all boxes and papers".

The noticeable wear description was prefaced by "very little".

I would think that a reasonable person would interpret that to mean that there isn't much noticeable wear.

The watch was delivered with excessive wear that is very noticeable. The amount of wear does not equal "little".

It was not as described and should be returned for full refund.

The F&F request for payment and the vanishing act after the sale is a bad sign.
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Old 29 June 2017, 01:11 PM   #55
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Huh?

Directly from original sales post:

"This Rolex Explorer from 2014 is in excellent condition. It has very little noticeable wear and has been worn in rotation with 4 other watches. It is the 39mm Explorer model with white gold numerals and comes complete with all boxes and papers".

The noticeable wear description was prefaced by "very little".

I would think that a reasonable person would interpret that to mean that there isn't much noticeable wear.

The watch was delivered with excessive wear.

It was not as described and should be returned for full refund.

The F&F request for payment and the vanishing act after the sale is a bad sign.

^^100% correct. It astounds me that there could be any debate regarding this, especially from long standing forum members. Clearly not in keeping with the spirit of this community, or at least as I've grown to know it. Would be nice to hear both sides to see if there are any additional facts yet to be disclosed, but as it stands I'm strongly in agreement with the OP.
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Old 29 June 2017, 01:20 PM   #56
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Ty for the support.
No additional facts to be stated. I am trying to be as transparent as possible without exaggerating. I could post screenshots of our chats if he responds saying differently.

Payment was made and watch was shipped/he provided me the tracking # within an hour. The next day I received the watch and texted him to discuss the misrepresentation of the condition. That was Saturday. I have not received a response since.

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^^100% correct. It astounds me that there could be any debate regarding this, especially from long standing forum members. Clearly not in keeping with the spirit of this community, or at least as I've grown to know it. Would be nice to hear both sides to see if there are any additional facts yet to be disclosed, but as it stands I'm strongly in agreement with the OP.
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Old 29 June 2017, 01:46 PM   #57
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I've received absolutely no communication from him since he gave me the tracking # on saturday. I've reached out via email, texts, and even messaged him on Instagram.

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Old 29 June 2017, 03:17 PM   #58
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Maybe he got another new phone
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Old 29 June 2017, 03:21 PM   #59
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That thing was ridden hard and put a way wet...Seller needs to make things right here as he misrepresented the condition.
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Maybe he got another new phone
I see what you did there. lol
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