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Bek · 12 July 2017, 01:26 PM

So I've been thinking a lot about which one of these to get with in next year. Love 5970P and 5270G blue dial, but wanting something more complicated and more unique. Any thoughts?
Also was just approved for 5131R and can't wait till I get one.

Watches: 5711/1a blue, 5712/1a, Rolex D blue, GMT BLNR, Sub Hulk, Daytona Ceramic black dial, Tudor Ranger

martinr · 12 July 2017, 01:33 PM

Both

Bek · 12 July 2017, 01:41 PM

ahhh budget allows only one

Nat123 · 12 July 2017, 02:04 PM

I love the 5004 for its symmetrical stunning dial. But it is thick for a 36.7mm watch. You need to try it on the wrist to see if it works for you. The 5204 is a more modern size but the dial aesthetics are different--matter of personal taste. FWIW they won't be making any more 5004 so the market is a known entity. You don't yet know how many 5204 will end up being made. Best of luck with your decision.

SearChart · 12 July 2017, 04:44 PM

5004, it's very high on my grail list.

henrylee · 12 July 2017, 04:49 PM

I wish I had this problem! But both pieces are beautiful. I do like the 5204 for the modern size, but you cant go wrong with either!

lapince · 12 July 2017, 08:37 PM

5204 for the modern size. They still allocate 5131R's? Thought that boat had sailed...

HL65 · 12 July 2017, 08:40 PM

5004 for the classic size and vintage look.

Hamish · 12 July 2017, 09:04 PM

5004....what about a 5370

The B · 12 July 2017, 09:47 PM

I am entranced these days with the perpetual chrono's...and I had close to the same conversation going on in my head.

Recently, I went with the 5204p as a "wear often" watch as the 36mm height of the 5004 seemed almost (dare I say) ill proportioned as wear often watch. Maybe I would have gotten used to it...but when I tried on the 5004 it seemed to slide around the top of my wrist. The 5204p is fantastic and I have hardly taken it off, really enjoying it. I do find it fascinating the stark difference in case size and dial color between the 5004, 5204p and the 5370p.

I am still looking to acquire a 5004 WG (due to believed rarity) maybe this week in NY for vertical collection of the split chrono's...

From what I have seen this year, the great news is the prices are stable (not going up on you) and plenty of past buyers of the 5004 kept them at least single sealed. So you have time, choices and clean product readily available.

Hope this helps.

mps354 · 12 July 2017, 10:59 PM

Both are amazing, I like the 5004 better

GB-man · 13 July 2017, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mps354

Both are amazing, I like the 5004 better

Same here. That dial is lovely

Bek · 13 July 2017, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nat123

I love the 5004 for its symmetrical stunning dial. But it is thick for a 36.7mm watch. You need to try it on the wrist to see if it works for you. The 5204 is a more modern size but the dial aesthetics are different--matter of personal taste. FWIW they won't be making any more 5004 so the market is a known entity. You don't yet know how many 5204 will end up being made. Best of luck with your decision.

I love them both and I guess have to find people who has them to see in real person.

Bek · 13 July 2017, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lapince

5204 for the modern size. They still allocate 5131R's? Thought that boat had sailed...

Yes, it was almost 3 weeks ago got a call from my AD that my application was approved. So excited.

Bek · 13 July 2017, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamish

5004....what about a 5370

But it's missing annual calendar

Bek · 13 July 2017, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The B

I am entranced these days with the perpetual chrono's...and I had close to the same conversation going on in my head.

Recently, I went with the 5204p as a "wear often" watch as the 36mm height of the 5004 seemed almost (dare I say) ill proportioned as wear often watch. Maybe I would have gotten used to it...but when I tried on the 5004 it seemed to slide around the top of my wrist. The 5204p is fantastic and I have hardly taken it off, really enjoying it. I do find it fascinating the stark difference in case size and dial color between the 5004, 5204p and the 5370p.

I am still looking to acquire a 5004 WG (due to believed rarity) maybe this week in NY for vertical collection of the split chrono's...

From what I have seen this year, the great news is the prices are stable (not going up on you) and plenty of past buyers of the 5004 kept them at least single sealed. So you have time, choices and clean product readily available.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Brian, I just don't understand lot of collectors they keep their watches in single seal or double sealed. I just don't justify myself if paying too much for single sealed or double sealed watches since intend to wear all of them no matter how exotic it is. They are meant to be worn with pride and joy,but seen some 5004P's mint conditions almost 50-100k cheaper compare to sealed ones. That's a no brainer for me which one to get. Also I love to be first owner of the watch with good deal. Love the vintage look of 5004 but love to have 5204 and it's a struggle.

KarlS · 13 July 2017, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bek

Yes, it was almost 3 weeks ago got a call from my AD that my application was approved. So excited.

How long is the wait?

dom007 · 13 July 2017, 04:47 AM

This

scrappy · 13 July 2017, 05:49 AM

Where is the market at these days on the 5204P (black dial). Are they difficult to obtain? Pricing?

nyc2la · 13 July 2017, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dom007

This

Game. Over.

Bek · 13 July 2017, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlS

How long is the wait?

Up to a year i've been told

Bek · 13 July 2017, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dom007

This

Just simply beautiful.

Bek · 13 July 2017, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scrappy

Where is the market at these days on the 5204P (black dial). Are they difficult to obtain? Pricing?

Retail is 300k but I've seen some at chrono24 for 250k-275k

jon_jon · 13 July 2017, 02:23 PM

Both the 5204 and the 5004 will have their place in the history of Patek Philippe's PC split second chronos.

As others have mentioned, the 5204 has better proportions with the case diameter and thickness. It is slightly thicker than the 5270 and still very wearable. The 29-535 movement used in the 5204 was completely designed and manufactured in-house. It is a superb watch.

The 5004 has been discontinued for some time and is a collector's dream watch. I believe the 5004P came in a few dial variants. The 36mm case diameter is a bit small, but back during the watch's production years, it was not considered small at that time. Many people love the Lemania-based 27-70 movement, although IMO the 29-535 is a better movement. However the 5004 is a watch to buy and keep in the safe.

For wearability, the 5204 is the one to get. For collectibility, the 5004 has the edge.

vivian · 13 July 2017, 06:26 PM

5204 first generation but I'm biased as I own it. 5004 proportions are not my cup of tea.

Calatrava r · 14 July 2017, 02:47 AM

FWIW the 5004 has had issues and is fairly fragile. I think the better way to go is the 5204. I say this even though the 5004 dial has way more pop than the 5204 which is somewhat bland by comparison.

AK797 · 14 July 2017, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dom007

This

dom007 · 14 July 2017, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nyc2la

Game. Over.

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Originally Posted by Bek

Just simply beautiful.

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Originally Posted by AK797

Thank you, guys!

dom007 · 14 July 2017, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jon_jon

Both the 5204 and the 5004 will have their place in the history of Patek Philippe's PC split second chronos.

As others have mentioned, the 5204 has better proportions with the case diameter and thickness. It is slightly thicker than the 5270 and still very wearable. The 29-535 movement used in the 5204 was completely designed and manufactured in-house. It is a superb watch.

The 5004 has been discontinued for some time and is a collector's dream watch. I believe the 5004P came in a few dial variants. The 36mm case diameter is a bit small, but back during the watch's production years, it was not considered small at that time. Many people love the Lemania-based 27-70 movement, although IMO the 29-535 is a better movement. However the 5004 is a watch to buy and keep in the safe.

For wearability, the 5204 is the one to get. For collectibility, the 5004 has the edge.

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Originally Posted by Calatrava r

FWIW the 5004 has had issues and is fairly fragile. I think the better way to go is the 5204. I say this even though the 5004 dial has way more pop than the 5204 which is somewhat bland by comparison.

I completely agree.

Many watchmakers and watch specialists say that the split-second chronograph is the most complicated complication. If you want to wear this complication I would definitely and always give preference to the improved and more reliable movement. When we talk about Lemania-based movements my preferences are the more simply 5070 and 5970...

Whereas the 5004 has a classic look, the 5204 looks much more sporty. In particular I love the hour markers with luminescent coating. There is so much lume on the dial. This is quite unique for a Patek Grand Complication. I have never seen a comparable Grand Complication in this respect...
This certainly one, but for sure not the only reason why I decided to go for a 5204 and not for example for a more classic designed blue dial 5270g-019, which I like also a lot.

12 July 2017, 01:26 PM	#1
Bek "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Ohio Posts: 44	PP 5004P or 5204P So I've been thinking a lot about which one of these to get with in next year. Love 5970P and 5270G blue dial, but wanting something more complicated and more unique. Any thoughts? Also was just approved for 5131R and can't wait till I get one. Watches: 5711/1a blue, 5712/1a, Rolex D blue, GMT BLNR, Sub Hulk, Daytona Ceramic black dial, Tudor Ranger

12 July 2017, 02:04 PM	#4
Nat123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: USA Posts: 103	Size matters I love the 5004 for its symmetrical stunning dial. But it is thick for a 36.7mm watch. You need to try it on the wrist to see if it works for you. The 5204 is a more modern size but the dial aesthetics are different--matter of personal taste. FWIW they won't be making any more 5004 so the market is a known entity. You don't yet know how many 5204 will end up being made. Best of luck with your decision.

12 July 2017, 04:49 PM	#6
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,214	I wish I had this problem! But both pieces are beautiful. I do like the 5204 for the modern size, but you cant go wrong with either! __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

12 July 2017, 08:40 PM	#8
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,397	5004 for the classic size and vintage look. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

12 July 2017, 01:33 PM	#2
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,099	Both

12 July 2017, 01:41 PM	#3
Bek "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Ohio Posts: 44	ahhh budget allows only one

12 July 2017, 08:37 PM	#7
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	5204 for the modern size. They still allocate 5131R's? Thought that boat had sailed...

12 July 2017, 09:04 PM	#9
Hamish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Earth Watch: 5575 Posts: 1,674	5004....what about a 5370

12 July 2017, 09:47 PM	#10
The B "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: USA Posts: 221	I am entranced these days with the perpetual chrono's...and I had close to the same conversation going on in my head. Recently, I went with the 5204p as a "wear often" watch as the 36mm height of the 5004 seemed almost (dare I say) ill proportioned as wear often watch. Maybe I would have gotten used to it...but when I tried on the 5004 it seemed to slide around the top of my wrist. The 5204p is fantastic and I have hardly taken it off, really enjoying it. I do find it fascinating the stark difference in case size and dial color between the 5004, 5204p and the 5370p. I am still looking to acquire a 5004 WG (due to believed rarity) maybe this week in NY for vertical collection of the split chrono's... From what I have seen this year, the great news is the prices are stable (not going up on you) and plenty of past buyers of the 5004 kept them at least single sealed. So you have time, choices and clean product readily available. Hope this helps.

12 July 2017, 10:59 PM	#11
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 8,972	Both are amazing, I like the 5004 better

13 July 2017, 05:49 AM	#19
scrappy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 623	Where is the market at these days on the 5204P (black dial). Are they difficult to obtain? Pricing?

13 July 2017, 02:23 PM	#24
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,341	Both the 5204 and the 5004 will have their place in the history of Patek Philippe's PC split second chronos. As others have mentioned, the 5204 has better proportions with the case diameter and thickness. It is slightly thicker than the 5270 and still very wearable. The 29-535 movement used in the 5204 was completely designed and manufactured in-house. It is a superb watch. The 5004 has been discontinued for some time and is a collector's dream watch. I believe the 5004P came in a few dial variants. The 36mm case diameter is a bit small, but back during the watch's production years, it was not considered small at that time. Many people love the Lemania-based 27-70 movement, although IMO the 29-535 is a better movement. However the 5004 is a watch to buy and keep in the safe. For wearability, the 5204 is the one to get. For collectibility, the 5004 has the edge.

13 July 2017, 06:26 PM	#25
vivian "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: south florida Posts: 35	5204 first generation but I'm biased as I own it. 5004 proportions are not my cup of tea.

14 July 2017, 02:47 AM	#26
Calatrava r 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 10,594	FWIW the 5004 has had issues and is fairly fragile. I think the better way to go is the 5204. I say this even though the 5004 dial has way more pop than the 5204 which is somewhat bland by comparison.

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