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Old 4 August 2020, 04:11 PM   #1
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Dial Conditions 18238

Dear all,



I’m in the market for 5-digits Day Date & came across to this dealer in Instagram whom has one for sale.

Can someone please help me to confirm that this dial is water damaged instead of ageing or “tropical”?







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Old 4 August 2020, 05:54 PM   #2
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It’s hard to say from this pic but honestly looks cool


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Old 4 August 2020, 10:03 PM   #3
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that is a really cool blue
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Old 4 August 2020, 10:59 PM   #4
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It looks like a stone dial.

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Old 5 August 2020, 12:28 AM   #5
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Looks like a lapis lazuli dial, quite nice.
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Old 5 August 2020, 06:35 AM   #6
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You sure it’s not stone ?


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Old 5 August 2020, 07:21 AM   #7
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Looks like a good lapis stone dial. The stone dials typically have the metal borders round the day and date windows.


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Old 5 August 2020, 09:39 AM   #8
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It's definitely a stone dial, doesn't look like the lapis that rolex typical uses. Also I'm not sure that Rolex ever did a lapis 18238 with roman numerals. Looks more like aventurine to me.
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Old 5 August 2020, 11:15 AM   #9
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Im pretty sure thats an aftermarket dial or a newer service option. Never seen roman numerals on an 18038/18238 before.
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Old 5 August 2020, 01:12 PM   #10
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Looks 100% like 18238 Aventurine Roman dial to me, dial no. 9A, there’s an identical dial (with a bit less wear) on a 18208 on C24 now.

(Imho, if they’re selling it under $18K, you’re stealing it ...)
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Old 5 August 2020, 05:17 PM   #11
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I don’t know, haven’t asked the seller directly.


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Old 5 August 2020, 05:18 PM   #12
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Dial Conditions 18238

Thanks, Gents.


I’m gonna send a message to the seller to clarify.


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Looks 100% like 18238 Aventurine Roman dial to me, dial no. 9A, there’s an identical dial (with a bit less wear) on a 18208 on C24 now.

(Imho, if they’re selling it under $18K, you’re stealing it ...)

Clay is correct imho after opening the pic on a large computer to have a good look.


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If the price is well below market, you may be looking at a dial-swapped DD without documentation.

If you don’t plan to use RSC in future it may not matter.



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If the price is well below market, you may be looking at a dial-swapped DD without documentation.

If you don’t plan to use RSC in future it may not matter.



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as long as it's a dial that was made for the model, and authentic Rolex they would have no problem servicing it.

I spoke with an AD just yesterday about this topic as I was mulling over the idea of having my DJ dial swapped, and he said they would do it but you would have to get the watch serviced with the swap, and that I could get any dial Rolex had in stock for my watch for about $500 more than the service cost.
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Old 6 August 2020, 12:05 AM   #16
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as long as it's a dial that was made for the model, and authentic Rolex they would have no problem servicing it.



I spoke with an AD just yesterday about this topic as I was mulling over the idea of having my DJ dial swapped, and he said they would do it but you would have to get the watch serviced with the swap, and that I could get any dial Rolex had in stock for my watch for about $500 more than the service cost.

The dial we are looking at doesn’t fit into the statement your AD made. I can assure you that it would be well above $500.


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Old 6 August 2020, 03:31 AM   #17
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The dial we are looking at doesn’t fit into the statement your AD made. I can assure you that it would be well above $500.


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hence why I said the price was quoted for the dial of MY watch. Regardless, of what the dial costs, Rolex would have no problem servicing this piece which your post initially stated they wouldn't unless the dial was original to the watch... which is untrue.
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hence why I said the price was quoted for the dial of MY watch. Regardless, of what the dial costs, Rolex would have no problem servicing this piece which your post initially stated they wouldn't unless the dial was original to the watch... which is untrue.

I can’t speak to your watch but what I mean to convey to the OP is that a redial can have consequences with the RSC.

For example:
If an indie watchmaker does a dial swap on a watch - even using a dial that was originally available for that model - the RSC will note that the dial wasn’t originally delivered on that watch. When the RSC does the dial swap it is added to the database for that s/n - if I wasn’t clear, my mistake.

My point is buy a documented vintage piece as opposed to buying a piecemeal vintage watch.


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Old 6 August 2020, 03:57 AM   #19
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For example:
If an indie watchmaker does a dial swap on a watch - even using a dial that was originally available for that model - the RSC will note that the dial wasn’t originally delivered on that watch. When the RSC does the dial swap it is added to the database for that s/n - if I wasn’t clear, my mistake.

My point is buy a documented vintage piece as opposed to buying a piecemeal vintage watch.
MAYBE on an 18238 because it's later, but this is NOT the case with 18038 or earlier. Dealers used to be free to swap or "upgrade" dials before a customer even purchased the watch, and would even receive loose dials shipped from Rolex for this purpose. AFAIK Rolex doesn't have a record of which dial shipped with which day-date/datejust ***for at least 18038 and earlier***.
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MAYBE on an 18238 because it's later, but this is NOT the case with 18038 or earlier. Dealers used to be free to swap or "upgrade" dials before a customer even purchased the watch, and would even receive loose dials shipped from Rolex for this purpose. AFAIK Rolex doesn't have a record of which dial shipped with which day-date/datejust ***for at least 18038 and earlier***.


Thanks good point. I’d wager Rolex was even looser on the 4 digit models too.


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Old 6 August 2020, 04:49 AM   #21
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I can’t speak to your watch but what I mean to convey to the OP is that a redial can have consequences with the RSC.

For example:
If an indie watchmaker does a dial swap on a watch - even using a dial that was originally available for that model - the RSC will note that the dial wasn’t originally delivered on that watch. When the RSC does the dial swap it is added to the database for that s/n - if I wasn’t clear, my mistake.

My point is buy a documented vintage piece as opposed to buying a piecemeal vintage watch.


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independent watchmakers were allowed parts accounts up until 2019, to think that every part swap from Rolex would be accounted for in some database is wishful thinking.

It makes no difference who put on the dial, as long as the watch is an authentic Rolex part, they won't refuse to service your watch/require you to change the dial. the only time it would matter is if it was a TT/solid gold dial on a SS or vice versa. improper bezels for the reference, etc.

Unless 2 identical watches were presented to me with B&P and the paperwork stated one of the watches had a dial swap at some point, I couldn't imagine it affecting the value at all. a proper restoration is perfectly acceptable in the collectors market. fact is, plenty of watches have period correct parts swapped in to create near perfect examples of vintage watches.
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