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Old 3 August 2020, 04:39 PM   #1
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[For sharing and inputs] 1803 Cigarette boat hands variants

In my quest for cigarette boat hand sets, I came across 4 different variants as follows. It seems that these hand sets were only produced in 1964 as replacement hands but some of the ad descriptions differ. The plot thickens...

Variant 1 - lume at hour hand nearer to base; pic credit: @Richard Carver


Variant 2 - lume at hour hand nearer to tip


Variant 3 - no lume; pic credit: Davide Parmegiani 100 fabulous daydate for sale


Variant 4 - enamel black;pic credit: Davide Parmegiani 100 fabulous daydate for sale



Wonder if there are varieties in alpha hands as well? To my knowledge, there are only the blue ones for visually impaired.
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Old 4 August 2020, 04:54 AM   #2
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Here is my (former) WG 1803 with non-lume cigarette hands, serial 1.1 million.

I'm fairly certain these hands were original to the watch, and not replacement hands.
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Old 4 August 2020, 04:56 PM   #3
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Here is my 1803 WG non-lume cigarette hands, serial 995***

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Old 4 August 2020, 07:22 PM   #4
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Tks for sharing guys, awesome pie pans and S/Ns match the '63, '64 yrs. These must be the OG CBs ������
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Old 4 August 2020, 07:25 PM   #5
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Here is my (former) WG 1803 with non-lume cigarette hands, serial 1.1 million.

I'm fairly certain these hands were original to the watch, and not replacement hands.
Always baffled though, seen quite a number of DDs with *T Swiss T* dials and no lume used at all, neither on hands or lume plots. Yours is not the first. So why does Rolex still use T T designation in the first place?
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Old 4 August 2020, 09:24 PM   #6
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Always baffled though, seen quite a number of DDs with *T Swiss T* dials and no lume used at all, neither on hands or lume plots. Yours is not the first. So why does Rolex still use T T designation in the first place?
I have assumed it’s because when the text was printed, it could not be known which hands would be used with that dial.

OP, what leads you to think these were only service hands?
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Old 4 August 2020, 09:42 PM   #7
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Actually I am not too sure now after great sharing posts from Dries and Swish. From online knowledge, read that CB hands were produced in the '63-'64 era and have now seen that to be true with the lume and non lume versions so far.

However, from my research, I was surprised by 1st and 2nd pic that even the lume ones had positional differences in the hour hand. Believe these 2 to be authentic as 2nd pic was purchased from a recognised parts retailer but I am quite sure 2nd pic is service replacement. We can discuss more via WA/PM
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[For sharing and inputs] 1803 Cigarette boat hands variants

A couple of thoughts.

The hands being produced by subcontractors in that period were made for different dial combinations. So non-lume vs lume was for a purpose.

The dial doesn’t get replaced over time but the hands do. So you will find 60 years later all sorts of combinations as indie watchmakers may have used either handset.




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Old 4 August 2020, 11:56 PM   #9
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These were issued hands on new watches for circa 1964. They were also supplied that year as replacement service hands so you do see them on some later watches, These were basically transitional hands between the alpha and the stick hands of today. So, we have one of those lovely Rolex aberrations that keep us fascinated. :)

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Great thread! My favorite DD hand style. Would love to find a set for my WG 1803.
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Here is my 1803 WG non-lume cigarette hands, serial 995***

Really lovely.
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Old 5 August 2020, 04:37 AM   #12
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Really lovely.


Double that !! Dries just super !!! That one may out do the WB you shared with us a few weeks back.

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Old 5 August 2020, 10:13 PM   #13
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This one same as 1st pic lume hands

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Old 6 August 2020, 11:00 AM   #14
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Beautiful watches. Dries, is that radium lume?
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Old 6 August 2020, 01:45 PM   #15
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This one same as 1st pic lume hands

beautiful claw markers, pity about the lume plots. Setting my sights on that next but prob black dial
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Beautiful watches. Dries, is that radium lume?
Pic from a dealer, not my watch
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Pic from a dealer, not my watch
Well then, now I'm not as jealous.
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Here’s one of mine, ‘64 serial, with no-lume dial and boats, and a factory mesh bracelet
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Old 9 August 2020, 01:29 AM   #19
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Here’s one of mine, ‘64 serial, with no-lume dial and boats, and a factory mesh bracelet
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Sweet, I love non-Lume dials, and that bracelet..... I bet it feels completely different than the standard ones. That watch has a lot of uncommon rare features.
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Here is my vintage day date with original “cigarette boat” hands. Adds a little extra interesting character to an already beautiful vintage watch.


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