32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[CharlesN]

I do understand that some people think that the monitoring that has been done in this thread is so we can "have a go" at Rolex.

That is completely wrong.

There is no intention of that in any way whatsoever.

We are doing the monitoring, data collection and research to learn more and see if we can spot the very subtle changes and improvements that Rolex have made with the new 32xx movements.

I can tell you that there appears to be very definate and marked difference in the 32xx movements with and without a date in regards to Amplitude readings which can and does seem to have a knock on effect on the rate.

This was and is not so visable in the 31xx movements.

I am currently now trying to find out why there is this difference.

The timekeeping of the 32xx movements is still stunningly good on both date and non-date models.

It is not "Upset" by the date function to any noticable degree. It can only be detected by constant TimeGrapher monitoring and recording.

The "accusation" made by some of addiction, compulsion and other similar descriptions of my monitoring and researching is also incorrect.

I am quite simply an enthusiastic watch collector and hobbyist who hopefully, like you, is enjoying a hobby. (Aka WIS).

[amanbra]

For everyone in this thread I have baseline data on 2 3230 movements. My issues with the 3235s took over a year to manifest and show up.

I’ll report back if I see issues but I’m hoping these are rock solid like my Daytona.

Both movements are in the high 270s for amp and ones running +6 and other +2.5. If they stay this way I’ll be thrilled.

I do worry though that they will be like the date versions I have/had though.


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[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

If I were coming into your antique clock and vette threads and saying "Paul, how can you waste time thinking about such silly things when you don't even know the beat error of your 32xx in the 3U position?!" then I could fully understand your frustration. But how do you justify not even knowing what amplitude is (surely it's related to gigawatts somehow!) and yet you regularly come into a thread like this and moan about not understanding why we are here. Yeah, we get it, you don't understand. Noted. Maybe just don't click on the thread and everybody gets what they want?

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To Jeff, and most of the other people who enjoy reading this thread, I want to say that he is correct and I am wrong; I offer a sincere apology. No, I don’t get it, but I should not chastise those of you that are passionate about this topic. So, I’ll stay out of it, best of luck to you guys with your data collection and experiments, I hope you accomplish the goals you are seeking.

[FTX I]

Glad this thread was unlocked. Good decision.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

To Jeff, and most of the other people who enjoy reading this thread, I want to say that he is correct and I am wrong; I offer a sincere apology. No, I don’t get it, but I should not chastise those of you that are passionate about this topic. So, I’ll stay out of it, best of luck to you guys with your data collection and experiments, I hope you accomplish the goals you are seeking.

Paul,
VERY nicely said.
Thank you.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by amanbra

For everyone in this thread I have baseline data on 2 3230 movements. My issues with the 3235s took over a year to manifest and show up.

I’ll report back if I see issues but I’m hoping these are rock solid like my Daytona.

Both movements are in the high 270s for amp and ones running +6 and other +2.5. If they stay this way I’ll be thrilled.

I do worry though that they will be like the date versions I have/had though.

Two 3230 watches? Interesting! I have not yet seen any 3230 caliber data.

Please share with us your GOOD amplitude and rate measurements.

I have written several times the "procedure" which I use. See post #1425 in this thread.

Anyhow, pm me if you want to know any detail.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Two 3230 watches? Interesting! I have not yet seen any 3230 caliber data.

Please share with us your GOOD amplitude and rate measurements.

I have written several times the "procedure" which I use. See post #1425 in this thread.

Anyhow, pm me if you want to know any detail.

Sorry I can’t be bothered. I’m enjoying them as they are. I don’t have time to keep putting them on a timegrapher. I have a business and children to look after.

What I can be bothered to do is check when fully wound what they are doing when new. The data matches the good 3235 data you have recorded here. Amp close to 280 and ticking away faster than 2s per day.

What’s interesting for everyone here will be if these movements slow down. Only time will tell but will report back immediate if they do. At the moment it’s too early to tell. One is from feb 2021 and the other may 2021 based on my and everyone else’s experience here it’s far too early. I really hope it’s a perm fix but who knows right.


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[JohnnyMack]

For what it is worth….my SD43….after serviced for being 10 - 15 secs slow back in Oct. 2020, is now running slow again by 5 secs/day,

I keep of it by several GPS daily calibrated clocks.

For someone that prides themselves on being punctual, it is annoying.

My 1666000 JC Deep Sea performance was spot on perfect.

I don’t think Rolex has an answer to the problem.


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by JohnnyMack

For what it is worth….my SD43….after serviced for being 10 - 15 secs slow back in Oct. 2020, is now running slow again by 5 secs/day,

I keep of it by several GPS daily calibrated clocks.

For someone that prides themselves on being punctual, it is annoying.

My 1666000 JC Deep Sea performance was spot on perfect.

I don’t think Rolex has an answer to the problem.

Sorry to hear that the issue came back again for you watch.

What is the purchase date (first owner) of your SD43 and where was the service done in Oct 2020?

[JohnnyMack]

I am the one and only owner. Bought in March 2019.

It was serviced at RSC in Dallas.



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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Sorry I can’t be bothered. I’m enjoying them as they are. I don’t have time to keep putting them on a timegrapher. I have a business and children to look after.

Understood.
I don't try to convince you 'but' one measurement in 5 positions (after full winding) takes not more than 45 min, and less along the power reserve.
Enjoy your watches.

[Rori]

Originally Posted by JohnnyMack

For what it is worth….my SD43….after serviced for being 10 - 15 secs slow back in Oct. 2020, is now running slow again by 5 secs/day,

I keep of it by several GPS daily calibrated clocks.

For someone that prides themselves on being punctual, it is annoying.

My 1666000 JC Deep Sea performance was spot on perfect.

I don’t think Rolex has an answer to the problem.


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So in other words, I somehow managed to fall in love and buy two beautiful watches that both have a recurring movement issues; The SD43 and the Tudor GMT :-)))


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Rori

two beautiful watches that both have a recurring movement issues; The SD43 and the Tudor GMT :-)))

Hi,
I do not know if you have managed to give us any data on your watch.
Have you ? Did i miss it whilst trying to find out ?

If you have not, can you give us any data information. Using a watchGrapher of some sort would be great.

Do NOT despair though. You have two GREAT watches nade by a great pair of companies. If they have not already found the problem (i tjink they have) they soon will and they will happily rectify both ofmyour watches next time they go into the "Spa". A Rolex AD's watchmaker probably wont do a rectification .. the RSC's are far better I find.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rori

So in other words, I somehow managed to fall in love and buy two beautiful watches that both have a recurring movement issues; The SD43 and the Tudor GMT :-)))

Or, if you haven't noticed an issue, then you don't have one?
I know, you reported 5 months ago about your SD43.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Hi,
I do not know if you have managed to give us any data on your watch.
Have you ? Did i miss it whilst trying to find out ?

Hi Charles,

look at Rori's posts from 24.01. and 21.05.2021

[Rori]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Or, if you haven't noticed an issue, then you don't have one?
I know, you reported 5 months ago about your SD43.

Hey Charles, I was trying to make fun of myself:-) however, I’m also assuming that my SD43 “late 2019” may eventually show the slowing bug issue. So far, the watch is still around - 2 to 3 sec pets day overall.


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rori

Hey Charles, I was trying to make fun of myself:-) however, I’m also assuming that my SD43 “late 2019” may eventually show the slowing bug issue. So far, the watch is still around - 2 to 3 sec pets day overall.

On 24.01.2021 you posted:

My SD43 starts it’s life with me with a +2.5 seconds / day. 1 year, 3 months later its -0.5 a day. The last month the watch lost merely 16 sec!

In June, your watch is about -2.5 x 30 = -75 sec per month.
That is still quite good but about a factor of 5 different than 5 months ago.

Would be interesting to know the amplitudes after full winding

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by Rori

Hey Charles, I was trying to make fun of myself:-) however, I’m also assuming that my SD43 “late 2019” may eventually show the slowing bug issue. So far, the watch is still around - 2 to 3 sec pets day overall.


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My 126655 started +2.5 and after 18 months it was doing -4 while dial up full wind. Amplitude down from 285 to 270.


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[Rafabond]

this is my pepsi BLRO from July 2018

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rafabond

this is my pepsi BLRO from July 2018

Welcome, your first post here.

The lift angle for the 126710BLRO with 3285 movement is 53 and not 52 degrees.

Your first measurement of this watch in June 2021? ;-)

Concerning your setup: a better caliber sound transmission towards the timegrapher microphone is achieved if you turn your watch by 180 degrees (crown in contact with the microphone).

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Rafabond

this is my pepsi BLRO from July 2018

I don’t think your picture comes out correctly

Maybe this will help ………




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[CharlesN]

I know things have been quiet for a few days but apart from carrying on a relatively normal and highly enjoyable life I have also been taking many observations of my watch which will all become apparant in a day or so.

But just to show that there are other ways of keeping an eye out for good timekeeping here is how my watch is doing now…

The iPhone appmi have been using is WatchTracker. Its very simple and easy to use and does keep track of things nicely.

As you can see my watch, over the last 54.7 days my watch has had a pretty event free time and has kept time astonishingly well.

The total error over the 54.7 days is +5.4 seconds which equates to +0.098 spd (Roughly 1/10th of a second per day).

That is not only well within Rolex standards but surpasses it to a degree that is almost unbelievable.





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[Rashid.bk]

I had issues with my previous Deepsea and now my new one seems to exhibit the same silliness. I had a 2018 immediately after release that slowed down eventually to about eight seconds before Rolex did a full service on it.
Now I have a new one from this year and it's already at -2spd. Doesn't inspire confidence and really puts a dent in the enjoyment of my watch, hopefully it doesn't get any worse but something tells me we're going down that road.
I still have an appt this coming Monday at RSC so they can check it out and see what they'll tell me.
A slow watch is a no no for me.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Now I have a new one from this year and it's already at -2spd.

Your new 2021 Deepsea now is at -2 s/d.

How did it start when it was new? I mean the first 1 or 2 months?

Ask the RSC to do some timegrapher measurements and give you the results!
Or do you own such an instrument?

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Your new 2021 Deepsea now is at -2 s/d.

How did it start when it was new? I mean the first 1 or 2 months?

Ask the RSC to do some timegrapher measurements and give you the results!
Or do you own such an instrument?

I recently purchased the watch and noticed it runs slow. I don’t have such measurement equipment. I’ll see what RSC says and I’ll ask for the print out if they’ll give it to me.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

I recently purchased the watch and noticed it runs slow. I don’t have such measurement equipment. I’ll see what RSC says and I’ll ask for the print out if they’ll give it to me.

-2 sec/day is VERY good and absolutely acceptable! It may reflect mostly you wearing pattern.

I think the RSC can regulate it that it runs + which you prefer.

If you own an iPhone the easiest way (with no cost) to check a watch is to use the WatchTracker App, e.g. see post #1612.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

I recently purchased the watch and noticed it runs slow. I don’t have such measurement equipment. I’ll see what RSC says and I’ll ask for the print out if they’ll give it to me.

If it was -2 at the start and it’s -2 now that’s fine.

The issue is it if changes and keep getting slower.

I’d really hope 2021 models have a permanent fix…….. (I’ve got two of them ) if not this is going to really bite Rolex.


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by amanbra

I’d really hope 2021 models have a permanent fix…….. (I’ve got two of them ) if not this is going to really bite Rolex.

Why? How?

[CharlesN]

I don’t think I need to use this anymore




as the results of my tests are so good.


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by amanbra

If it was -2 at the start and it’s -2 now that’s fine.

The issue is it if changes and keep getting slower.

I’d really hope 2021 models have a permanent fix…….. (I’ve got two of them ) if not this is going to really bite Rolex.


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It already id biting Rolex as it has been reported that an extra ordinary amount of time is being spent on warranty repairs associated with the issue in question.
I imagine it will slightly damage the reputation of Rolex but they will push past that in the grand scheme on things and it will be little more than an unverified blip or smudge of their reputation.
After all with the way things are in the market, i could've sworn even my dog mentioned something about getting himself a ROWLEX with a 70 hour power reserve whilst he was yawning the other morning after waking up from a deep sleep. And to make matters worse my Wife's dog almost seemed to nod in agreement.
As long as they're not eyeing off mine, i don't really care what they think up

When there is a fix, I am confident we will be informed by our esteemed resident watchmaker and that is all I need to concern myself with as I'm typically not pre-disposed to being an early adopter

Whilst this thread is interesting, it has severe limitations in terms of effectiveness.
In that it won't confirm anything more than we won't already have happily recieved inside information about.

I hope the remaining warranty you have on your watches will be sufficient to see you through these times