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Uptalk, vocal fry, pronouncing the "g" in ing
It bothers me...
Couple quick examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VW5FMblho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPZMy_JWsOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To0otqt0cQc |
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Cool thread.......I love the concepts of patterns of speech. I guess because I love how humans evolve and change.
I didn't realize 'upspeak/uptalk was a named thing. Growing up in Canada we did the "is that right eh?" thing a lot, of simply adding 'eh' at the end of a sentence and raising the tone. I saw it as an inclusive, eliciting a response, friendly sort of pattern. Sometimes you hear variations on that when people say "right?" or Brits say "yeah?" as an interrogatory at the end of a sentence when talking to a friend. When I moved to LA in the 80s there was definitely the 'Valley Girl" speak which your first video sort of shows. And also there was the Surfer Dude speak. Both these examples got into the speech patterns all over the country in various forms and levels. I think when we raise our tone at the end of a sentence it is merely to invite feedback, traditionally. People who are dogmatic make exclamations that lower the level of the tone so maybe people don't want to sound that way so they are more delicate in their speech to not sound that way. Speech patterns are interesting and it's not easy to figure out why and how they evolve and change. Fred Armisen tries here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G72tZdjnS2A I find the Australian "no worries" crept into our speech here where the term was 'no problem' previously. Also the Black culture influence of taking a verb and changing it to a noun. My car became, my ride. etc etc A dynamic language is fascinating. More of your examples...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQWej-hMiZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEfMwri22SM
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My niece does it and it annoys me to no end
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It’s amazinggggggggrrgghhhhhh
It’s like more “ing” and “ly” words get used just so there can be more opportunity for fryyyyyy |
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Agree, it’s intensely irritating to listen to. I also dislike a lot of phrases that seem to have crept into many peoples speech, such as “I’m not gonna lie ...”. What, you mean you usually lie? Hmmm ...
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One thing I notice is some people pronounce the word appreciate like it's appriciate...
That drives me a little nuts, but only because one woman was talent on a video I was producing and I had to stop takes often to correct it. Then I heard it pronounced this way from famous actresses on You Tube - can't remember, Tina Fey? Making me question whether I have it wrong. |
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I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a low talker and a close talker.
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Vocal fry doesn't bother me as much, but uptalk drives me nuts.
I know Howard Stern loses his mind over vocal fry and has done a few bits on it. |
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The term upspeak is relatively new. The phenomenon, however, is not so new. Roger Kahn wrote about it in his 1972 book, The Boys of Summer. "Have you ever heard a Georgia belle insert four question marks into a declaritive paragraph? 'Ah went to Rollins? That's in Florida? South of heah? An' real pretty?' When a Georgia girl says no, she asks a question."
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I don’t really notice or care. I generally regard people who talk that way as air heads.
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Uptalk, vocal fry, pronouncing the "g" in ing
I’ve heard it more on the West Coast - more a SoCal speech affectation - almost like an accent.
Doesn’t bother me a bit - nor the Boston Southie, Bronx, Deep South or Fargo-lingo... https://youtu.be/u4Je2WxsqWA Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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meh, I just chalk it up to me being an old fuddy-duddy, anything that a young girl does is pretty much going to annoy me. They don't care what I think, so why would I waste one second caring about them sounding silly. That same silly sound may get them a few more likes or hits on social media as if that was important, but it seems to be to them. We're predominantly a bunch of middle aged or older mostly white men here, I don't think us talking about young girls and their speech patterns is well advised given the current climate. JMHO
BTW that comedian wasn't funny, and no one in the audience was really laughing either, other than a few woman awkwardly figuring out whether they agree with him or not. Old men having issues with young women and how they speak is a little bit "FISH" in a Barrel IMHO
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I have to respectfully disagree. This speech pattern change is learned behavior. And it's not just young girls. It's adult women AND men. Much like tattoos, once a sign of individuality, now just part of a uniform. And I'm an old fuddy-duddy too. dP
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Yeah the gender thing was never specifically stated it just seemed like we were mostly talking about woman, I think it was that annoying comedian that set me off. I know its grating, I just bite my lip and say nothing but that's me. Point taken Dan.
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Yeah Marc, wasn't specifically meaning just girls and women those were just the first examples I found. I hear it in boys and men also. As Dan said just a overall different speech pattern nowadays. Also I'm the father of two beautiful young ladies, so nothing was geared toward any one gender.
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