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[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

because max is too much of a threat,

Right 1 title vs 7. Big threat. He has a WHOLE lot more winning to do to even be close. It is like saying after Kobe's first championship he was a threat to MJ and MJ would retire.

LH will retire when he feels like retiring. As long as he is still winning and on the best team, he will keep driving. Yeah maybe if Max wins two or three more consecutively, he thinks about it. Until then LH does not think Max is a threat. One controversial call in the last few laps of the last race of the season from his 8th. Not like he got whooped the entire season and lost by 100 points.

[AshAP]

I don’t think he’ll retire just yet but could be wrong.


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[joli160]

With all the youngsters and the new regulations he is going to face a lot more wheel to wheel battles and that’s not his strong point.
Guess he is worried and probably quits if he is clever.

Nothing left to prove for him and still healthy, time for his fashion business

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Right 1 title vs 7. Big threat. He has a WHOLE lot more winning to do to even be close. It is like saying after Kobe's first championship he was a threat to MJ and MJ would retire.

LH will retire when he feels like retiring. As long as he is still winning and on the best team, he will keep driving. Yeah maybe if Max wins two or three more consecutively, he thinks about it. Until then LH does not think Max is a threat. One controversial call in the last few laps of the last race of the season from his 8th. Not like he got whooped the entire season and lost by 100 points.

That’s not really how greatness works and that’s a cute way to cut what i said. If he retires now, nobody will really care in 5 years. He did get beat by total races won.

Being one world championship away from the record, in a car that could absolutely win, and then walking away is questionable. Call it what you want, there is nobody great at the highest level that would ever do that. Now if he was in a Williams cars this season, i totally get it. Get out. But regardless of max taking the championship, i still consider Lewis the one to beat next year.

[77T]

VER could do a ROS…


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[SDGT3]

I don't think he's going to quit because he knows he "probably" still has the best car on the grid for 2022. If it was anyone else, I'd say that he's probably gathering himself up for a committed run at the 8th WDC, but this is LH afterall and he's probably just waiting for the dramatic affect and loving the "is he or isn't he" going to retire drama in the press.

How anyone that follows the sport even casually can say that LH isn't worried about Max isn't paying attention. Max got LH to start training harder, getting on the simulator and actually missing the British Fashion Show on a Sunday That's how worried Lewis was.

Quite honestly though, we don't know what kind of car RB will have underneath Max. Lewis should be more concerned with his new teammate though, because Russell WILL HAVE the same car as Lewis and he's used to scrapping. As someone else said earlier, Lewis' strength in not wheel to wheel racing and is used to being a front runner. As 2021 showed, he's forgotten how to defend the inside as well as mixing it up a bit.

[Mifune]

Here's the deal... next year is a completely new formula and one area where the FIA is going to begin restriction is... wheelbase. The FIA has never restricted wheel base and while any manufacturer could build a chassis that had any wheel base that met their own design and balance philosophy, the Mercedes has traditionally had the longest wheelbase chassis for several years now... this gave them great stability, but less agility. When it comes to next years formula, the Mercedes WOULD be out of specification forcing them to rethink their design philosophy.

The redbull has traditionally been a short wheelbase design and their chassis is ALREADY within that new formula spec and this means they are already used to building a balance design using their current design philosophy... AND their drivers are already used to chassis that behave in a manner that is more 'loose' than the Mercedes team is. There's no more free lunch for Mercedes.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

That’s not really how greatness works and that’s a cute way to cut what i said. If he retires now, nobody will really care in 5 years. He did get beat by total races won.

Being one world championship away from the record, in a car that could absolutely win, and then walking away is questionable. Call it what you want, there is nobody great at the highest level that would ever do that. Now if he was in a Williams cars this season, i totally get it. Get out. But regardless of max taking the championship, i still consider Lewis the one to beat next year.

Even if Lewis wins #8, you'll still have a bunch of people saying he only won because he drove the best car.

[Uggi]

After last season’s debacle I hope he does retire and walks away from this mess of a sport. It would be totally understandable if he did that but, unfortunately for him, I don’t think he’ll be able to do it.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Even if Lewis wins #8, you'll still have a bunch of people saying he only won because he drove the best car.

Exactly, and Tom Brady only won because he was on the best team, and Lebron James because he had the best team, and so forth and so on....people are unreasonable against all logic when they don't like something. Who's coaching Brady, himself...and who's he throwing the ball to, himself, and who's blocking for him, and the team budget to pay everyone, he did that too?...No A-lister anything, even an actor is going to just sign on for the lowest budget movie just because, and no winning team is going to sign on the most mediocre bottom athlete to lead their top level best performing organization, they will sign the best person. How people think Lewis isn't the best is beyond logic and imperial data and statistics. He is not winning because the car did it, he is in this position because his talent did it.
I mean if Max is so good why doesn't he sign on with Haas, would you all think and agree that this would be a smart move for him right now?

It also works the other way, you cannot expect a top performing athlete to still win with sub par equipment just because to prove a point. Usain Bolt would not have won a relay gold medal with a bunch of hand picked TRF members to run with him...because he's so good he could do it right, NO. Nor could Micheal Phelps have won gold in relays with a bunch of TRF members swimming legs for him...You win, an athlete wins because he is matched with an equally talented team and or equipment. F1 is a team sport made of various parts, the management, engineers, techs, car and driver. Any one of those is off and you will not win on a regular basis nor be competitive. And let's not forget the politics that exist which wasn't that much of a factor until one of those politics decided how the race would finish.

Formula 1 and specifically Lewis Hamilton is the only sport where no matter what people see, the ONLY reason he won is because the car did it. No one else is accused of this, not even Nico Rosberg.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Even if Lewis wins #8, you'll still have a bunch of people saying he only won because he drove the best car.

MV didn’t win the championship the safety car and bad decisions won the championship for him.

There was no way he would have won if common sense prevailed.

Next year some changes must be made?

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Andad

MV didn’t win the championship the safety car and bad decisions won the championship for him.

There was no way he would have won if common sense prevailed.

Next year some changes must be made?

I agree, although it isn't controversial regarding the safety car, in the normal F1 world the race would have finished under the SC, Max won a race under the SC without fanfare. The SC and Massi in particular is what gave Max a direct advantage that created the desired result.

[1st amg]

LH can go ahead and win another championship....he is still and never will be a Michael Schumacher. LH ALWAYS had the best car on the grid. whereas MS brought the car home decimated to win.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

LH can go ahead and win another championship....he is still and never will be a Michael Schumacher.

Hmmm....it's English Jim, but, not as we know it!


Sir Lewis, as far as I can recall, never, deliberately 'took out' a competitor to achieve F1 success.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Hmmm....it's English Jim, but, not as we know it!


Sir Lewis, as far as I can recall, never, deliberately 'took out' a competitor to achieve F1 success.

Also he never parked his car at Rascasse corner during the closing stages of qualifying in order to stop others from improving their lap time.


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[AshAP]

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[joli160]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Hmmm....it's English Jim, but, not as we know it!


Sir Lewis, as far as I can recall, never, deliberately 'took out' a competitor to achieve F1 success.

Silverstone comes to mind

[bibbi]

Originally Posted by joli160

Silverstone comes to mind

Right - the track where he didn’t slow down in a curve just because a reckless „master of outside overtaking no matter what” tried his trick again.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by joli160

Silverstone comes to mind

Well that is about all the LH haters can hold on to. However we can have a laundry list of unsafe, borderline deadly interactions with fanboy MV in the mix.

Let him go ahead and win 6 more titles or so before we crown him anything other than a F1 driver that has won a championship. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW MV also drives for a team that has a pretty good car. It is part of racing. Good drivers get the good cars. They don't promote and contract shitty drivers to the top teams for charity so let's stop the hate that LH has only won that many titles because the car he is driving. If that were the case then what about Bottas. Oh yeah he doesn't have titles for every year he drove MBZ.

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

LH can go ahead and win another championship....he is still and never will be a Michael Schumacher. LH ALWAYS had the best car on the grid. whereas MS brought the car home decimated to win.

You are not wrong. Same Lebron vs. MJ subjective discussion, etc. Hamilton was a genius with tire management and consistent through his career. Not his fault he had the best car but def noteworthy. If others say Hamilton undeniably the best of all time, they are also not wrong. Will always be subjective.

Just try not to draw Hamilton’s entire career up to “fastest” car. You will look slightly ridiculous in any argument.

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by Andad

MV didn’t win the championship the safety car and bad decisions won the championship for him.

There was no way he would have won if common sense prevailed.

Next year some changes must be made?

Agreed and I Know this has been said 100 times but Hamilton lost the race he was given and Max won the race he was given. Max had a better season and deserved to be called a world champ, even if Hamilton should have won that last race (contradictory statements I know, but you get the point).

MH is a world champion and it was not handed to him for 99.999% of the season.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Exactly, and Tom Brady only won because he was on the best team, and Lebron James because he had the best team, and so forth and so on....people are unreasonable against all logic when they don't like something. Who's coaching Brady, himself...and who's he throwing the ball to, himself, and who's blocking for him, and the team budget to pay everyone, he did that too?...No A-lister anything, even an actor is going to just sign on for the lowest budget movie just because, and no winning team is going to sign on the most mediocre bottom athlete to lead their top level best performing organization, they will sign the best person. How people think Lewis isn't the best is beyond logic and imperial data and statistics. He is not winning because the car did it, he is in this position because his talent did it.
I mean if Max is so good why doesn't he sign on with Haas, would you all think and agree that this would be a smart move for him right now?

It also works the other way, you cannot expect a top performing athlete to still win with sub par equipment just because to prove a point. Usain Bolt would not have won a relay gold medal with a bunch of hand picked TRF members to run with him...because he's so good he could do it right, NO. Nor could Micheal Phelps have won gold in relays with a bunch of TRF members swimming legs for him...You win, an athlete wins because he is matched with an equally talented team and or equipment. F1 is a team sport made of various parts, the management, engineers, techs, car and driver. Any one of those is off and you will not win on a regular basis nor be competitive. And let's not forget the politics that exist which wasn't that much of a factor until one of those politics decided how the race would finish.

Formula 1 and specifically Lewis Hamilton is the only sport where no matter what people see, the ONLY reason he won is because the car did it. No one else is accused of this, not even Nico Rosberg.

The analogies you used with Tom Brady, Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps have big holes in them. Tom Brady went to a team that had no chance of winning and won his first year with them. In that analogy, Bill Belichick would be the Lewis Hamilton of the pair because he could not win without 1 player... Tom Brady. Bolt and Phelps also compete individually and destroy all their competition so if they lose the relay race, no one is putting blame on them. Lewis, on the other hand, has been beaten by teammates and was not so stellar in his McLaren days bar the 1 title. His latest teammate (Bottas) was a hand picked tomato can because Toto didn't want a repeat of the Rosberg years.

With regard to Michael Schumacher, MS went from a 2 time defending title winner in Benneton to a team in Ferrari who hadn't won anything in many years. He, with the help of others, then built that team into a dynasty. Lewis was handed the Mercedes that had been developed by MS and Mercedes over a number of years.

Number of titles means very little to those not in the Hamilton camp because his 7, 8 or 9 will never compare with Schumacher's 7, Senna's 3, Fangio's 5, or Prost's 4. Honestly, if he called it a career, more than 50% of people who follow F1 could care less.

[Speedbird-1]

Just heard a rumour, Sir Lewis, has retired.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Lewis, on the other hand, has been beaten by teammates and was not so stellar in his McLaren days bar the 1 title.

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So I’m guessing you didn’t follow F1 during Hamiltons rookie F1 season with McLaren where he beat Alonso and came 2nd in the WDC? Maybe you forgot.


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[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Just heard, Sir Lewis, has retired.

Where is the source please?


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[texasmade]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The analogies you used with Tom Brady, Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps have big holes in them. Tom Brady went to a team that had no chance of winning and won his first year with them. In that analogy, Bill Belichick would be the Lewis Hamilton of the pair because he could not win without 1 player... Tom Brady. Bolt and Phelps also compete individually and destroy all their competition so if they lose the relay race, no one is putting blame on them. Lewis, on the other hand, has been beaten by teammates and was not so stellar in his McLaren days bar the 1 title. His latest teammate (Bottas) was a hand picked tomato can because Toto didn't want a repeat of the Rosberg years.

I would say this also pertains to Max since Daniel left the team. He was the last guy that was actually competitive with Max. Ever since, it's been a bunch of tomato cans or a clear #2. It's the smart thing to do from a team perspective if you're trying to optimize your chances of winning the WDC.

[Rad22]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Where is the source please?


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[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Where is the source please?


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My wife just messaged me, it was in a British newspaper this AM....... it is probably (less than) half the story!
Sorry folks...false alarm....maybe.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The analogies you used with Tom Brady, Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps have big holes in them. Tom Brady went to a team that had no chance of winning and won his first year with them. In that analogy, Bill Belichick would be the Lewis Hamilton of the pair because he could not win without 1 player... Tom Brady. Bolt and Phelps also compete individually and destroy all their competition so if they lose the relay race, no one is putting blame on them. Lewis, on the other hand, has been beaten by teammates and was not so stellar in his McLaren days bar the 1 title. His latest teammate (Bottas) was a hand picked tomato can because Toto didn't want a repeat of the Rosberg years.

With regard to Michael Schumacher, MS went from a 2 time defending title winner in Benneton to a team in Ferrari who hadn't won anything in many years. He, with the help of others, then built that team into a dynasty. Lewis was handed the Mercedes that had been developed by MS and Mercedes over a number of years.

Number of titles means very little to those not in the Hamilton camp because his 7, 8 or 9 will never compare with Schumacher's 7, Senna's 3, Fangio's 5, or Prost's 4. Honestly, if he called it a career, more than 50% of people who follow F1 could care less.

Lols, just not logical, sorry mate.

[77T]

I see the “hot stove league” is strong.

Methinks Toto is stoking flames, or just hopes, to add flavor for the panel that convenes 19Jan to begin the review of final race, Masi, and the org for F1 future officiating.

He’s so disillusioned now…

We won’t see any outcomes until sometime in March.


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